Mark Harris

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Mark Harris

So Harris was 18 when he made his Championship debut, some 4 years younger than Earnshaw. Earnie also had the luxury of going to Greenock Morton on loan before returning at a lower level. Harris hasn't set the world alight when out on loan but I fail to see your point. As you are also comparing City's record goal scorer with somebody who will not be. This isn't about whether Mark Harris will be a great of Cardiff City. It's about wondering whether he can still progress. I still feel there is a better player in there. That's why I started the thread. You seem to want to write him off along with the club in general and your comparison with Earnie is lazy at best.

Having slept on this and woken up refreshed and sprightly, I think you have a point and that maybe I was too harsh (hence the agreement over respect) but I've watched him a lot (including his spells under Flynn at Newport) and maybe he's just not my kind of player and that gets in the way. It happens.

As a side note, thought Whyte put in one of his best shifts for City yesterday which was good to see as he was written off and I've always felt there was a decent player in there even though I've been laughed at and generally written off too as a nut job! I quite like the lad.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Mark Harris

Mark Harris will be 24 at the end of this month. He made his Championship debut for City in April 2017. Since then, he's managed to score 9 goals in 74 appearances at this level (33 of which were starts).

To put that into perspective, Robert Earnshaw was 22 when he made his debut at Championship level. He scored 9 goals in his first 9 games.

I get why you're raising Earnshaw as he was also a Welsh International. Earnie was one of (if not THE) best players I've seen at City and loved him to bits. Mark's no Earnie though and their trajectories are completely different. I've mentioned in other posts I'm feeling jaded with football this season so I'll be the first to admit I'm not the best person to be objective right now.

To win me over, Mark Harris has to be scoring and setting up more goals this season. He has to be a game changer. There was an improvement when he came on yesterday, but he just doesn't have the X factor for me I guess and at 24, I get your point, I don't think there's anywhere else for him to go in terms of improvement. I need to see goals at Cardiff.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Mark Harris

What are you hoping for when you watch a Chanpionship match and in what way is it so much worse than Brentford v Bournemouth? Or Man Utd v Everton for that matter?

The quality of the football. It's no more complicated than that. And the quality of the football Championship this season is the worst I can remember. It's really poor.

[llan bluebird]

Re: Mark Harris

Would Earnie even be in the game nowadays? Don't see many nippy fox in the box strikers anymore.

I don't think Harris is a forward. He is a hard-working "attacking" midfielder, who'll probably end up a wingback.

The club wants him to be a wide forward or central striker because they are the golden egg positions,but he is not Callum Robinson.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Mark Harris

So Harris was 18 when he made his Championship debut, some 4 years younger than Earnshaw. Earnie also had the luxury of going to Greenock Morton on loan before returning at a lower level. Harris hasn't set the world alight when out on loan but I fail to see your point. As you are also comparing City's record goal scorer with somebody who will not be. This isn't about whether Mark Harris will be a great of Cardiff City. It's about wondering whether he can still progress. I still feel there is a better player in there. That's why I started the thread. You seem to want to write him off along with the club in general and your comparison with Earnie is lazy at best.

Apologies for the 'lazy' comparison, but I couldn't think of any other young Welsh international forwards City have had on their books in the last twenty years or so. Can you?

You seem to believe Harris is capable of genuine progress at this level. Fair enough, but I don't. I think what we're seeing from him now is about as good as he's going to get and any possible improvement will be marginal. He works hard, he has a good attitude, but he's not a natural goal scorer and he doesn't have a natural position. He's better out wide than he is the centre, but he's not a winger. And he's not a natural striker either. He's basically a utility forward who is always likely to be a bit-part player at Championship level.

I haven't been reading this board much in recent months, so I've lost track of who's who. What was your previous username?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Mark Harris

Harris makes things happen. He's quick and he works his socks off. That should be a prerequisite but it isn't. Harris for me, has to play or at least come of the bench. Whether he's good enough is another discussion but that probably says more about the complete horror show of a summer transfer window. We lack any sort of thrust, pace or directness. Nothing happens, nobody takes people on and there is no creativity. At least Harris goes at people. I do actually think he's got a bit better, he has some clever flicks and he generally keeps hold of it. He wouldn't get in many teams in the division but that's not a surprise, because we below most of them :hehe:

[Tuerto]

Re: Mark Harris

Harris makes things happen. He's quick and he works his socks off. That should be a prerequisite but it isn't. Harris for me, has to play or at least come of the bench. Whether he's good enough is another discussion but that probably says more about the complete horror show of a summer transfer window. We lack any sort of thrust, pace or directness. Nothing happens, nobody takes people on and there is no creativity. At least Harris goes at people. I do actually think he's got a bit better, he has some clever flicks and he generally keeps hold of it. He wouldn't get in many teams in the division but that's not a surprise, because we below most of them :hehe:

Harris isn't good enough if a team has aspirations for the play offs. The original question (i think) was can he improve, is there a player in there? O the evidence, then absolutely not in my opinion. We need to see something, intricacies, little bits of movement, positioning, touch etc. Mark Harris does exactly what it says on the tin, it'll work in his favour and he'll have a long career because of it.

[City123]

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He’s not going to progress. He peaked ages ago at L1/2 level. If he wasn’t Welsh and wearing a City shirt, no bugger would even notice he existed.

If he peaked at League 2 level he would be noticeably worse than the rest of the players on the pitch, he isn't and is often one of the more effective performers

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Mark Harris

If he peaked at League 2 level he would be noticeably worse than the rest of the players on the pitch, he isn't and is often one of the more effective performers

You're right. Please read my subsequent posts and my acknowledgement of this. However, I do think the standard in the Championship is low right now so the bar is low too. Remember, everything I write, we say, is posted is subjective. I mean Pedro can't bring himself to say a good thing about Gavin Whyte :hehe:

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Mark Harris

Harris isn't good enough if a team has aspirations for the play offs. The original question (i think) was can he improve, is there a player in there? O the evidence, then absolutely not in my opinion. We need to see something, intricacies, little bits of movement, positioning, touch etc. Mark Harris does exactly what it says on the tin, it'll work in his favour and he'll have a long career because of it.

Absoltuely not, he isn't good enough for that but he's currently a player we need. We're a million miles away from a playoff side.

Harris will have a career in the game, and a lot of players could learn a thing or two from him.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Mark Harris

You're right. Please read my subsequent posts and my acknowledgement of this. However, I do think the standard in the Championship is low right now so the bar is low too. Remember, everything I write, we say, is posted is subjective. I mean Pedro can't bring himself to say a good thing about Gavin Whyte :hehe:

Apparently Whyte is a really nice lad, he works really hard but I don't think he offers anything with the ball. He's been better of late though and he wasn't bad yesterday. I think Harris is a better player, though. I can't fault Whyte, it's not like he's not trying. Same as Harris, both really honest footballers and you can't ask for more.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Mark Harris

Apparently Whyte is a really nice lad, he works really hard but I don't think he offers anything with the ball. He's been better of late though and he wasn't bad yesterday. I think Harris is a better player, though. I can't fault Whyte, it's not like he's not trying. Same as Harris, both really honest footballers and you can't ask for more.

:thumbup:

[Garth Blue]

Re: Mark Harris

I think Harris has more to his game than Callum Robinson. You could say Robinson is an average Championship forward, or you might say he has earned a very good living being a championship standard forward.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Mark Harris

Interesting that llanbluebird possibly sees him as a wingback

I agree or even a full back who gets forward

He's got good little bursts of pace

I think a decent manager would work with him , he's definitely got a football brain and we are not in a position to go out spending money

Good squad player with potential , bit like Darcy Blake was till his career went off the rails

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Mark Harris

I think Harris has more to his game than Callum Robinson. You could say Robinson is an average Championship forward, or you might say he has earned a very good living being a championship standard forward.

I think Robinson is clearly not a earnie sort of striker but he knows where the net is , albeit to a lesser level