Transfer embargo confirmed

[Former Labour leader]

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We have (for me), got no left backs, 1 centre back (and he isn't our player), 2 right backs (Ng), 2 centre mids, 2 wingers and 2 strikers. The rest (I'm not sure about Alnwick) aren't up to it or are young lads. The squad is terrible but the first choice side is OK. They've not got anything about them though, soft underbelly. We could do with getting Morrison back in, someone with a bit about them.

Allsop, Romeo, Ng, Kipre, Wintle, Ralls, Philogene, O'Dowda, Robinson and Etete (based off the last two appearances) would get in other sides in this division. Colwill and Davies might. Harris is probably a squad player for bottom half sides based off his work ethic. Whyte, Ojo, Sawyers, Simpson, Nelson, Nkounkou, Watters etc are not up to it and I just don't think Rino can play.

I dont disagree with your assessment of the squad. A decent enough first x1 but nothing much after. Still good enough IMO, with an experienced manager to see us safe.
I have also posted separately we have a soft underbelly and lack leaders on the pitch. I think we can blame Morison for that state of affairs.
Oh for a fit Sean Morrison or Sol Bamba in his prime. Would have won on Saturday and several other matches this season with them in the team.

[Enoch Mort]

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Is it not the case that the club are in no way responsible for Salas death, and therefore should not be liable? A dodgy agent, and his mate, showed a total disregard for somebody’s safety, and ultimately caused his death. Maybe insurance companies/ brokers think these are the people who should be paying up….not them.

You are correct, we weren't but who of the potentially culpable parties that we could sue has got £21m ? Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent was no longer acting for them. The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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We have 27 players or something. They’ve throw shit at the walls and hope some it sticks. If we had a 22 man squad, we would have £2.5m more in wages saved. They are incompetent. We have so many players that aren’t up to it

Morison had 3 months to put a new squad together, not 3 years.

[G rangetown Blue]

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You are correct, we weren't but who of the potentially culpable parties that we could sue has got £21m ? Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent was no longer acting for them. The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up.

I’m not sure anyone would like to pay out for something that wasn’t their fault, and I don’t blame them. As anyone who has any dealings with insurance companies will testify, they are quick to take your money, but not so quick to pay out….especially when there is an element of doubt regarding responsibility.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Is it not the case that the club are in no way responsible for Salas death, and therefore should not be liable? A dodgy agent, and his mate, showed a total disregard for somebody’s safety, and ultimately caused his death.

There are some problems here.

Firstly, as far as I'm aware at least, nobody has ever claimed that Cardiff City FC are liable for Sala's death. The club is, however, liable for the player's transfer fee as he was a Cardiff City player at the time of his death according to FIFA, the CAS and the Welsh FA.

Secondly, a Cardiff City Football Club employee was involved in arranging Sala's flight on that plane - the dodgy agent's son, who was mysteriously a member of the club's playing staff at the time despite never having shown anything to suggest he was likely to make the grade at either Championship or Premier League level (he's currently playing for Buxton, who are 18th in the National League North).

[G rangetown Blue]

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There are some problems here.

Firstly, as far as I'm aware at least, nobody has ever claimed that Cardiff City FC are liable for Sala's death. The club is, however, liable for the player's transfer fee as he was a Cardiff City player at the time of his death according to FIFA, the CAS and the Welsh FA.

Secondly, a Cardiff City Football Club employee was involved in arranging Sala's flight on that plane - the dodgy agent's son, who was mysteriously a member of the club's playing staff at the time despite never having shown anything to suggest he was likely to make the grade at either Championship or Premier League level (he's currently playing for Buxton, who are 18th in the National League North).

I didn’t know that.

The point I was trying to make is that nobody is going to shell out 15 million unless they have to, and I for one don’t blame them.

I guess the process needs to be Cardiff pay the transfer money, then sue the people responsible for Emilianos death…if that’s even possible.

[The Lone Gunman]

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I didn’t know that.

The McKay family's relationship with the club at that time is the enormous elephant in the room. Father Willie had apparently arranged flights on either the same or a very similar plane for Neil Warnock and other club officials while the Sala negotiations were ongoing, and the club's former manager suggested in one press conference that he'd been flown by David Ibbotson

Back in May 2019, Mehmet Dalman said: "This is not just about Willie McKay, as there are many agents of that ilk in the industry. He meant well. His intentions were good. But why do we have intermediary agents who are not transparent or accountable to anybody? That can’t be right. Can you imagine any other industry where somebody is hiding behind somebody else’s licence and gets away with it?"

He went on to say: "When you speak to the old guard they say: ‘I know, but we’ve always done things like this.’ It doesn’t make it right. It was shoddy behaviour, plain and simple."

It would be interesting to know who was referring to as 'the old guard', but I think we can probably guess.

When asked about Dalman's comments, McKay's answer was fascinating. He said: "Mehmet’s a lovely man. He’s been great for Cardiff City and for my sons. Mehmet’s going to do what he’s going to do. I know he is under pressure from the owner."

Make of that what you will.

[G rangetown Blue]

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The McKay family's relationship with the club at that time is the enormous elephant in the room. Father Willie had apparently arranged flights on either the same or a very similar plane for Neil Warnock and other club officials while the Sala negotiations were ongoing, and the club's former manager suggested in one press conference that he'd been flown by David Ibbotson

Back in May 2019, Mehmet Dalman said: "This is not just about Willie McKay, as there are many agents of that ilk in the industry. He meant well. His intentions were good. But why do we have intermediary agents who are not transparent or accountable to anybody? That can’t be right. Can you imagine any other industry where somebody is hiding behind somebody else’s licence and gets away with it?"

He went on to say: "When you speak to the old guard they say: ‘I know, but we’ve always done things like this.’ It doesn’t make it right. It was shoddy behaviour, plain and simple."

It would be interesting to know who was referring to as 'the old guard', but I think we can probably guess.

When asked about Dalman's comments, McKay's answer was fascinating. He said: "Mehmet’s a lovely man. He’s been great for Cardiff City and for my sons. Mehmet’s going to do what he’s going to do. I know he is under pressure from the owner."

Make of that what you will.

What a mess.
I have been to Nantes a few times since, (I have been going there since 1987), and none of their fans have ever suggested that Cardiff City should “pay up”….or even lay any blame on our club for what has happened. Some of their fans hate their owner more than some of our fans hate ours, and blame him for “selling EMI like a dog”, when he never wanted to leave FC Nantes. Their fans have nothing but respect for the way our fans have reacted to the tragedy, and, if anything, it has brought the twin cities more closer together than ever.

[Ninian1962]

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The McKay family's relationship with the club at that time is the enormous elephant in the room. Father Willie had apparently arranged flights on either the same or a very similar plane for Neil Warnock and other club officials while the Sala negotiations were ongoing, and the club's former manager suggested in one press conference that he'd been flown by David Ibbotson

Back in May 2019, Mehmet Dalman said: "This is not just about Willie McKay, as there are many agents of that ilk in the industry. He meant well. His intentions were good. But why do we have intermediary agents who are not transparent or accountable to anybody? That can’t be right. Can you imagine any other industry where somebody is hiding behind somebody else’s licence and gets away with it?"

He went on to say: "When you speak to the old guard they say: ‘I know, but we’ve always done things like this.’ It doesn’t make it right. It was shoddy behaviour, plain and simple."

It would be interesting to know who was referring to as 'the old guard', but I think we can probably guess.

When asked about Dalman's comments, McKay's answer was fascinating. He said: "Mehmet’s a lovely man. He’s been great for Cardiff City and for my sons. Mehmet’s going to do what he’s going to do. I know he is under pressure from the owner."

Make of that what you will.

Would that perhaps be the same Neil Warnock who, when manager of QPR, was involved in the signing of Joey Barton from Newcastle in a transaction that was questioned by the football authorities? And was the agent (he was then registered) brokering the deal one Wille McKay?

[olderblue]

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There must be lots of examples where Managers of Premier league or Championship clubs, have signed an agents son, or sons, who have never really shown an ability to play at that level, surely?

As a Kenny Everett character would say, I'm sure it was done in the best possible taste?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Morison had 3 months to put a new squad together, not 3 years.

Morison said he started working on it in Feb. You can't have it both ways. He wanted the credit when things were going well, and it is his fault we are left with this shower of shit. These are nearly all his players.

It was complete lunacy to give that clown the biggest transfer window in the club's recent history.

[Ninian1962]

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There must be lots of examples where Managers of Premier league or Championship clubs, have signed an agents son, or sons, who have never really shown an ability to play at that level, surely?

As a Kenny Everett character would say, I'm sure it was done in the best possible taste?

I have no knowledge of such examples and don`t recall any being mentioned on club websites or in the media. Would be interested if you could point me in the direction of any such examples.

In the case of CCFC of course our manager knew that Willie McKay was not even a licenced intermediary (current name for an agent) and wasn`t allowed to be involved in any manner whatsoever in player contract negotiations and also would have known that he was an undischarged bankrupt at the early stages of a 5 year bankruptcy restriction order.

[UNDERHILL1927]

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Morison said he started working on it in Feb. You can't have it both ways. He wanted the credit when things were going well, and it is his fault we are left with this shower of shit. These are nearly all his players.

It was complete lunacy to give that clown the biggest transfer window in the club's recent history.

Even more ridiculous to give him the transfer window and then sack him with no plan in place.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Morison said he started working on it in Feb. You can't have it both ways. He wanted the credit when things were going well, and it is his fault we are left with this shower of shit. These are nearly all his players.

It was complete lunacy to give that clown the biggest transfer window in the club's recent history.

It was the best funded transfer window in recent history ?

Are you sure

[olderblue]

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I have no knowledge of such examples and don`t recall any being mentioned on club websites or in the media. Would be interested if you could point me in the direction of any such examples.

In the case of CCFC of course our manager knew that Willie McKay was not even a licenced intermediary (current name for an agent) and wasn`t allowed to be involved in any manner whatsoever in player contract negotiations and also would have known that he was an undischarged bankrupt at the early stages of a 5 year bankruptcy restriction order.

Yeah, I think my tongue in cheek comments missed there, like you I'm not aware of any other examples anywhere else of a manager signing two sons, of an agent, or licensed intermediary if that's what there now called, who were unproven and without doubt not good enough to be added to a squad.

Likewise, I can't imagine there would be any other club that would allow their managers to sign two sons of a Licensed intermediary or unlicensed in this case without a few questions being asked???