These Electric car things are great, in they. NOT !!!!

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: These Electric car things are great, in they. NOT !!!!

I fortunately only loaned it for the weekend TBG
I really think if most people had an opportunity to try before they buy they’d run a mile
As I said my sister leases hers ��

I suppose that would save the car from extra mileage

[lardy]

Re: These Electric car things are great, in they. NOT !!!!

As for the ‘Carbon Neutral do gooder’s’ it’s actually three to four times more Carbon Emissions to extract the lithium to make an EV which is another reason to turn your back on buying one.

Three or four times as much as what?

[Vindec]

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Well that seems like an idea, but a bit of a nuisance.
What I don't understand is why they don't do batteries that you can take out and charge.
If you had two, then that would be a game changer and I'd do it.
Until they do something like that I don't think it will be viable for someone like me in a terraced house

Good idea except the batteries cost anything from £8k to £15k.

[Sunnysideup]

Re: These Electric car things are great, in they. NOT !!!!

As I explained Rjk the old range panic mode sets in
The battery levels drop and not being your car you want to re charge
It’s the re charging that proved to be an absolute nightmare.
Petrol or diesel you can just fill up and you’re away.
The charging points were to few and often didn’t work or were in use.
The results were painfully long waits
For your information I travelled from Swansea to Cobham and then from Cobham to Middlesbrough then back to Swansea 👍

[Sunnysideup]

Re: These Electric car things are great, in they. NOT !!!!

For Lardy
In comparison with production of a petrol of a diesel car
An electric vehicle produces three to four times the carbon emissions in the manufacturing process 👍

[Harry Lime]

Re: These Electric car things are great, in they. NOT !!!!

I started a thread on electric cars on the alternative forum a few months ago.
My sister is leasing one and she’s been banging on about how great it is
She loaned it to me for the weekend for me to try with the intention of getting me onto the EV bandwagon.
My experience was frustrating to say the least!!
A two and a half hour journey took me six hours!!
You start to go into range panic mode as the battery gets lower and you need to look for a charging point.
Trouble I found was pulling into the services and all of the charging points were being used.
To charge up to eighty percent roughly takes an hour.
I couldn’t go anywhere I just had to wait until one of the charging points became available as I didn’t have enough charge to be hopping onto the next services.
My sister had a fine through from parking eye because I had overstayed my two hours at the services.
I sent a letter to explain but my appeal was rejected.
It really is insane.
Coupled with the fact that not every charging point actually worked plus in addition you had to download an app to sort payment was just so time consuming.
Honestly the car was great but actually buy one- not an effin chance.
As for the ‘Carbon Neutral do gooder’s’ it’s actually three to four times more Carbon Emissions to extract the lithium to make an EV which is another reason to turn your back on buying one.
Mark my words it’ll only be a few years until the government imposes some sort of road tax for these vehicles.
Please don’t buy one it’s all a Con 🥺

It would have been an interesting personal experience but then you threw in the expression 'Carbon neutral do gooders'

What's wrong with aiming for a carbon neutral society?

[Sunnysideup]

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Absolutely nothing
But it’s all a massive CON
The Lithium mining actually produces three to four times the amount of Carbon during the manufacturing process in comparison with conventional vehicles.
How can it be good for our planet??

[Sunnysideup]

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The clever marketing of these electric vehicles plays on people’s conscience
We all want to do our bit to save the planet for the good of our kids and grandkids
The fact is however we are being lied to !!

[lardy]

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Absolutely nothing
But it’s all a massive CON
The Lithium mining actually produces three to four times the amount of Carbon during the manufacturing process in comparison with conventional vehicles.
How can it be good for our planet??

That's comparing the manufacturing process. What about over the lifetime of the car's use?

[bobh]

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Two things.

1. A couple of years ago "hydrogen cells" would be the big game-changer - but it's all gone quiet on that front.

2.All petrol cars have batteries which are rechargeable - in fact we charge them as we drive; this is the function of the alternator we all have under the bonnet.
Batteries for electric cars are rechargeable - why can't a similar system be incorporated? Or does this fall into the "perpetual motion is impossible" theory?

[lardy]

Re: These Electric car things are great, in they. NOT !!!!

Two things.

1. A couple of years ago "hydrogen cells" would be the big game-changer - but it's all gone quiet on that front.

2.All petrol cars have batteries which are rechargeable - in fact we charge them as we drive; this is the function of the alternator we all have under the bonnet.
Batteries for electric cars are rechargeable - why can't a similar system be incorporated? Or does this fall into the "perpetual motion is impossible" theory?

Point 2 has been discussed on here before, and it does seem logical that a battery cannot contain enough energy to drive a car AND completely charge another similar sized battery.

[Rjk]

Re: These Electric car things are great, in they. NOT !!!!

Two things.

1. A couple of years ago "hydrogen cells" would be the big game-changer - but it's all gone quiet on that front.

2.All petrol cars have batteries which are rechargeable - in fact we charge them as we drive; this is the function of the alternator we all have under the bonnet.
Batteries for electric cars are rechargeable - why can't a similar system be incorporated? Or does this fall into the "perpetual motion is impossible" theory?

2 yes someone on the other thread recently thought about having 2 batteries, one charging from the other one while the car is driving, but in reality, without breaking the laws of thermodynamics, it actually shortens the range and is more expensive

[Sunnysideup]

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Nobody knows Lardy the exact life expectancy of an electric car??
Batteries degrade over time
The pioneers buying EV’s are looking at replacing the batteries at huge costs
I for one wouldn’t buy an EV let alone a ten year old second hand one
Would anyone ??
So back to the Buy an Electric Vehicle and help save the planet hard sell it’s all a scam
They look like being bigger polluters than conventional vehicles mate 🤔

[lardy]

Re: These Electric car things are great, in they. NOT !!!!

Nobody knows Lardy the exact life expectancy of an electric car??
Batteries degrade over time
The pioneers buying EV’s are looking at replacing the batteries at huge costs
I for one wouldn’t buy an EV let alone a ten year old second hand one
Would anyone ??
So back to the Buy an Electric Vehicle and help save the planet hard sell it’s all a scam
They look like being bigger polluters than conventional vehicles mate ��

I imagine that they've got a pretty good idea of electric and conventional cars' life expectancies. They can do the calculations and compare emissions over 100,000km, 200,000km and so on.

I'm not rushing out to buy one for pretty much the same reason as you've given - the current expense and inconvenience. But I can't accept that over, say, 10 years it's worse for the environment than a petrol diesel.

[Bobby Dandruff]

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https://apple.news/A1vEhHR5mSamMG3EJdHBsAw

PS:——— cash is king, as well

There is a very good YouTube channel called Harry's Garage if you are interested in cars.

He is driving more and more EVs as we are all being told that it is the future.

He pointed out though that there are approx 8,500 petrol stations in the UK where it takes about 5 mins to fill up. That gives you a range of 5-600 miles on some cars.

Until the EV network comes close to that and/or battery efficiency improves significantly, lots of people will remain sceptical and ecological benefits will remain in the back seat.