These Electric car things are great, in they. NOT !!!!

[Sunnysideup]

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I agree Kev
Swansea to Cobham to Boro back to Swansea in a day lol 😂
I’m sure Eric thinks I’m a County Lines drug runner 😆😆

[Divine Wright]

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As for the ‘Carbon Neutral do gooder’s’ it’s actually three to four times more Carbon Emissions to extract the lithium to make an EV which is another reason to turn your back on buying one.

Four times as many emissions? Compared to twenty years of someone using a Diesel engine daily. I doubt that is true.

….quick reading online…..they talk about localised contamination, water waste ….stuff like that. I think your info is a little misleading.

Anyhow. That doesn’t excuse people using diesel and petrol engines. Use a bike, public transport.

Stop making the planet unliveable for my daughter and her daughter. Or at least try. Please.

[lardy]

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I agree Kev
Swansea to Cobham to Boro back to Swansea in a day lol ��
I’m sure Eric thinks I’m a County Lines drug runner ����

I don't think Kev was batting for you in that post...

[Eric The Blue]

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I didn’t do the journey in a day Eric.
If you read my post I borrowed my sister’s EV for the weekend.
To clarify I was on the fence about purchasing an EV - my sister who leases hers kept banging on about how great they are and was trying to convince me to buy one through the ‘lend’ of her vehicle.
She lives in Swansea by the way - just outside Llansamlet so I had to travel there from Cardiff in order to collect the said vehicle.
Cobham in Surrey was work related that’s why I went there first.
The Saturday I headed up to Boro to visit family I hadn’t seen pre covid.
Return trip on the Sunday.
I strongly agree that you need to plan your journey
I did
What’s frustrating though is pulling into a service station and the charge points are occupied with several cars waiting
I overstayed because I had no option of going over the two hours permitted stay.
Also I found charging points didn’t work
Also there were connectivity issues with the charging point and syncing to the car.
All probably easy for you because you’ve had your car four years.
Can you honestly tell me that you never had range anxiety when you first bought your EV?
Putting on the Air Con and driving in excess of the speed limit- it was a Porsche so I had to put my foot down - all eats into the battery range.
Regardless of who is conning us as to the Carbon Emissions the fact remains that EV’s are producing three to four times more carbon compared to the production of Petrol or diesel counterparts
The fact of the lithium extraction is out there for anyone to look in google land.
What’s not really mentioned is what or where exactly are the disused batteries going to go at the end of their lives?
Land fill - outer space?
That’s a huge problem

I am speaking honestly in order to help others make an informed decision about purchasing an EV based on my own experiences
Nothing i witnessed and experienced will tempt me in the slightest to buy one.
As already said they are too expensive
Tesla’s just dropped their prices which tells you they’re to expensive to begin with.
Overpriced
Infrastructure in its infancy
Second hand value is uncertain
More expensive to run than petrol or diesel
If you live in terraced housing or an apartment block then they’re impractical to charge at home
I fail to see the positives??

Walk
Cycle
But if you do need to drive then I’m afraid EV’s are not on my shopping list in my lifetime

I completely agree that it's much easier when you have a bit of experience of driving an EV. In my case I did a fair bit of reading/You Tubing before I bought one so I knew where I was from the word go. It's completely different if you're just hiring or borrowing one for the first time.

No I've genuinely never had range anxiety. On the odd occasion when I've been too low to get to the charger I plan to go to I just got on the sat nav and found a nearer one. Yes it can be frustrating to find chargers out of order, but apps like Zapp Map will tell you if they are working or not before you waste time going there. I don't agree that the infrastructure is in its infancy.

Your point about uncertain second hand values is interesting. The one thing we do know is that ICE cars will be an obsolete technology in a few years. I don't think you'll be able to give one away as 2030 approaches. It's a bit like trying to flog a Euro 5 diesel car in London now as the ULEZ zone is expanded out to the M25.

There are solutions to charging if you live in a terraced house or apartment. Councils can provide lamp post chargers where people can trickle charge overnight. Destination chargers at supermarkets, pubs, multi storeys etc. often provide (relatively slow) charging at low prices. My local Tesco is cheaper than I'm currently paying at home. I even know one multi storey that still offers free charging. Admittedly that's very rare now.

As I mentioned in my first reply, it's unusual to have to replace an entire battery. The average lifespan of a petrol or diesel car in the UK is 9.7 years. EV batteries are warranted for at least 7 and even if you did have one that was uneconomic to repair it would never be put in landfill. Typically, they would be repurposed for home energy storage, or recycled for the valuable contents, particularly the lithium and cobalt.

Reasons to buy one? Clean air and lower carbon emissions are enough for me but there are others: cheaper to run except in very specific circumstances, no congestion charging in big cities and much nicer to drive especially in traffic. Also, in a few years you won't have a choice unless they invent something else.

[Sunnysideup]

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Thanks for your courteous response Eric
I still wouldn’t buy one though
As for the future a good friend is convinced it’s water -hydrogen to be precise
He’s very convincing and it’s an interesting topic but I’m not sure just how the oil and electric companies will react to this technology
I’m sure it will be debated on here at some point 🤔

[Canton Kev]

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I don't think Kev was batting for you in that post...

Yeah I’m confused on which bit he agrees with me haha

[Rjk]

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Thanks for your courteous response Eric
I still wouldn’t buy one though
As for the future a good friend is convinced it’s water -hydrogen to be precise
He’s very convincing and it’s an interesting topic but I’m not sure just how the oil and electric companies will react to this technology
I’m sure it will be debated on here at some point ��

a mate of mine was working for a very famous UK company that were developing hydrogen fuel cells back 15 or 20 years ago, he said they started to also look into smaller ones that could power a car but they said that they abandoned that because in the event of a crash they would leave a small crater in the road

[Sunnysideup]

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We don’t want any more potholes than we already have lol 😂

[Eric The Blue]

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I think they've pretty much given up on hydrogen powered road vehicles now, certainly in the UK. Toyota did have a production model but it's much dearer even than EVs and there are fewer than 10 places you can refuel them.

[blue matt]

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Thanks for your courteous response Eric
I still wouldn’t buy one though
As for the future a good friend is convinced it’s water -hydrogen to be precise
He’s very convincing and it’s an interesting topic but I’m not sure just how the oil and electric companies will react to this technology
I’m sure it will be debated on here at some point ��

About 10 years ago ( might have been slightly more than that ) I saw a demo on Hydrogen fuel cells in Disney world ( yes really ) and it was billed a the green future, California were adapting it as the green future, building the filling pumps and spending big, It interested me and I did a fair bit of reading about it, it looked the real deal, as time has gone by, its slowly died and EV's are now the answer ( even in LA ) now they still have the filling pumps, but people just haven't gone down the route of the H20, last time I returned to this subject Toyota were making a H20 car it did 300 mile per fill

[Sunnysideup]

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My mate makes a compelling argument as to Hydrogen in the future
It won’t happen in our lifetimes but with the advancement of technology and the abundance of water I’m sure he’s right. 🤔

[Maurice Swan]

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A sobering thought: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.htmlght.....

[Enoch Mort]

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Some interesting info and thoughts in this thread. Also very informative. My nephew charges up his electric car from electricity generated from his solar panels and stored in his powerwall. He has not paid directly for charging up the car since he has had it. He appears to be quite happy.

[BLUETIT]

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[BLUETIT]

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