Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

[LeningradCowboy]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

Possibly but we’d have had to spend an awful lot of money for another manager to have a chance. We were really, really close to doing it but in hindsight he should have gone when we went down. I don’t want to be that guy but if Sala had landed, I think we’d have stayed up and Warnock would have rode off into the sunset a hero

I don't think any manager would have done a much better job than Warnock that season considering how little we spent on transfer fees and player wages. I'm pretty sure we were the only club in the Premier League with a weekly wage bill under £1m. Only Huddersfield were spending anything close to us on wages and look what happened to them.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

I don't think any manager would have done a much better job than Warnock that season considering how little we spent on transfer fees and player wages. I'm pretty sure we were the only club in the Premier League with a weekly wage bill under £1m. Only Huddersfield were spending anything close to us on wages and look what happened to them.

No manager keeps us up with Peltier, Harris and Cunningham etc getting regular minutes. It was really odd how he spent the money we did have though. Murphy I get but Reid is the least Warnock like player I’ve ever seen

[Canton Kev]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

Just a quick 4 month job to keep us up then he can get back to his poetry.

In our current position and what we can realistically get, he is our best chance of staying up. I think that’s fairly undeniable, regardless of what people think of his past here.

[blue matt]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

but Reid is the least Warnock like player I’ve ever seen

we only had a small-ish pool of players to pick from though, the USM pool

[LeningradCowboy]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

we only had a small-ish pool of players to pick from though, the USM pool

Don't think Reid is USM. Tomlin was though.

[2b2bdoo]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

There's a whole plethora of issues with Warnock coming back, but here's another...
How many of our current crop would actually want him back? How many did he upset last time he was here?
I'm thinking more of the younger players of course, but I'm sure quite a few wouldn't want him here.

Like who? Colwill and Davies didn’t break through under Harris either.
We had Bennett at left back who was better than Bagan (and no other manager has trusted him really either).

Not sure any can feel hard done by?

[Ninja]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

Like who? Colwill and Davies didn’t break through under Harris either.
We had Bennett at left back who was better than Bagan (and no other manager has trusted him really either).

Not sure any can feel hard done by?

Colwill and Davies, along with Bagan, all probably feel much aggrieved to be fair.
Almost zero opportunities for any of them.
If W*nker comes back, none of them will be getting a chance any time soon either.

On one hand, the jury is still out on all of them anyway. On the other, there's the whole debate about how Colin treats youth in general.

We're not a club with tens of millions to spend. We may well need to utilize all three, and maybe others too.

No chance of that under Colin, he'll have his hands in Tan's wallet via Mehmet.

[LeningradCowboy]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

Colwill and Davies, along with Bagan, all probably feel much aggrieved to be fair.
Almost zero opportunities for any of them.
If W*nker comes back, none of them will be getting a chance any time soon either.

On one hand, the jury is still out on all of them anyway. On the other, there's the whole debate about how Colin treats youth in general.

We're not a club with tens of millions to spend. We may well need to utilize all three, and maybe others too.

No chance of that under Colin, he'll have his hands in Tan's wallet via Mehmet.

What are you on about? Bagan and Davies had only just turned 18 when Warnock left the club and Colwill was still 17.

[Harry Bosch]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

Suppose Warnock returns. Suppose we stay up. There's an important question - what happens then? Staying up is important but there has to be a longer term view beyond that.

I think we can say with some surety that Tan isn't going to be spending much, so the likelihood is that we're stuck with most of this season's squad for next season.

Does he get another contract?

Does he leave at the end of the season, when we'd be looking for yet another manager to get something out of the same group of players?

What is the plan? There has to be one. Looking at it solely from the point of view that the plan is to stay up and nothing else matters is simply short sighted.

There is little point in asking this question as the only person who could answer it is Vincent Tan and he is not prepared to share any vision that he likely does not possess. It's a shambles. He had been a good owner on the whole in terms of supporting us financially, but his football knowledge is desperate and he hasn't learnt on the job. Simply, there is no plan!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

If he comes then it must be a water tight contract until May

His job to keep us in the championship

If he does that he gets a bonus

Then we look for a long term appointment

It's no more complicated than that

But where's the longer term view? What happens after? Who do we bring in? It's the same questions as we're asking now, but kicked 6 months down the line.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

I agree completely.
I just can't see him coming here for what, 4-5 months?
I reckon he'd want another year and therein lies the problem.
If he wants to come here til the end of the season with an incentive based contract then f*ck it, do it.
I just reckon he's got 18 months in his head judging by some of what he's said recently.

He's made it clear he doesn't want "years", but I reckon he'll want more than 4-5 months.

He probably wants one more go at the purse strings in June/July.

Of course he'd want an 18 month contract. If it all went wrong he'd be quids in.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

Suppose Warnock returns. Suppose we stay up. There's an important question - what happens then? Staying up is important but there has to be a longer term view beyond that.

I think we can say with some surety that Tan isn't going to be spending much, so the likelihood is that we're stuck with most of this season's squad for next season.

Does he get another contract?

Does he leave at the end of the season, when we'd be looking for yet another manager to get something out of the same group of players?

What is the plan? There has to be one. Looking at it solely from the point of view that the plan is to stay up and nothing else matters is simply short sighted.

He has to be very short-term to the end of the season maximum, there are some good Managers about at the moment, I would try for Dean Smith or Chris Wilder as longer-term options, but would they come, and are they past their best too?

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

If he comes then it must be a water tight contract until May

His job to keep us in the championship

If he does that he gets a bonus

Then we look for a long term appointment

It's no more complicated than that

For once we agree

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

He has to be very short-term to the end of the season maximum, there are some good Managers about at the moment, I would try for Dean Smith or Chris Wilder as longer-term options, but would they come, and are they past their best too?

I'm just against all this short-termism. Asking Warnock, or anyone, to come in just to save us this season is kicking the can down the line a few months. None of the problems will be resolved.

[Alfresco]

Re: Suppose it is Warnock - hypothetical scenario that needs an answer

There is little point in asking this question as the only person who could answer it is Vincent Tan and he is not prepared to share any vision that he likely does not possess. It's a shambles. He had been a good owner on the whole in terms of supporting us financially, but his football knowledge is desperate and he hasn't learnt on the job. Simply, there is no plan!

His football knowledge got us to the Premiership. The owners of other clubs who haven't achieved such greatness are the one's defunct of 'football knowledge'