Meanwhile, in Germany…

[LeningradCowboy]

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... and Max Watters scored yesterday too.

He got sent off as well.

I reckon Glatzel would score plenty of goals in League One.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Yes, that's the one. We don't improve players, make them better, get them playing in a way that suits us and them. We seem to bring players in and expect them to improve the playing style without any kind of structure out on the pitch. Look at the players who have entertained us over the past 4 or 5 years, they were there anyway, they had ability and natural traits that made them stand out. Then take a look at the players who we thought had something to work on, obvious footballing traits. They always sink, they don't progress with us. It probably isn't the clubs fault completely, but there has to be some reason why we don't make players better, more confident in their natural ability etc.

Glatzel is a weird one, I'm not sure how you'd use him over here. The game is pretty frenetic, and he'd really struggle to play on his own. He's technically decent but his hold up play wasn't great, he isn't strong and he isn't quick. I don't know how you'd use him, even if he was a good finisher. I think he's one that might look a lot better in a good side but would look awful in a really bad one as if he had loads of chances, he'd bury them but he's not one to create stuff on his own, or play with his back to goal etc.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Glatzel was a decent finisher for us when he got the ball in and around the penalty area. The problem was that the rest of his game was nowhere near good enough. He was basically Max Watters but scored a few goals.

That’s an extraordinary claim. Things didn’t quite click for Glatzel here, but it often looked like he had ability. Watters, meanwhile, has been uniformly abysmal in a City shirt. There have been times when it’s looked like he’s in the wrong sport.

[Hilts]

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Glatzels 1st touch was really poor. However he was really good at recovering from that 1st touch.

Rhys Healey has also done really well abroad.

Would a Glatzel / Healey partnership be a top Championship strike force , I very much doubt it.

Both clearly are better than Watters though.

[LeningradCowboy]

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That’s an extraordinary claim. Things didn’t quite click for Glatzel here, but it often looked like he had ability. Watters, meanwhile, has been uniformly abysmal in a City shirt. There have been times when it’s looked like he’s in the wrong sport.

Is it? Glatzel was slow, couldn't hold the ball up, and poor in the air, just like Watters. Unlike Watters, Glatzel could score if given a chance in the penalty area, but that was his only attribute.

[Hilts]

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I was more suprised that Watters actually had the energy to do something to get himself sent off.

[the other bob wilson]

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Thirty one goals in fifty three games for a team that, clearly, is a lot better than us and yet City fans think he can’t play :facepalm: Apart from Keiffer Moore for a season, Kenneth Zohore for a few months and Kenwyne Jones who had an okay scoring rate in his time here, Cardiff City has been a graveyard club for strikers since the days of Chopra and Bothroyd - could the way we have played for most of that time have something to do with it?

[Hilts]

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Lets just bring up an important one. The play off semi. 2 very good early chances at home. He doesn't take either.

Virtually the last kick at Craven Cottage he volleys wide.

We were hardly great but we played some decent stuff in that run to the play offs.

[Hilts]

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Thirty one goals in fifty three games for a team that, clearly, is a lot better than us and yet City fans think he can’t play :facepalm: Apart from Keiffer Moore for a season, Kenneth Zohore for a few months and Kenwyne Jones who had an okay scoring rate in his time here, Cardiff City has been a graveyard club for strikers since the days of Chopra and Bothroyd - could the way we have played for most of that time have something to do with it?

I think Frazier Campbell would have bagged 15-20 if wed had him all season when we won the league and I think he had a decent ratio when he arrived that season.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Is it? Glatzel was slow, couldn't hold the ball up, and poor in the air, just like Watters. Unlike Watters, Glatzel could score if given a chance in the penalty area, but that was his only attribute.

Pretty good attribute for a striker.

Poor in the air, didn’t score a single header for City, and yet has scored plenty of fine headers for Hamburg. Why do you think that is? Confidence? Better service?

I don’t know the answer, but the evidence from his time at Hamburg very clearly demonstrates he’s not poor in the air.

[UNDERHILL1927]

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Is it? Glatzel was slow, couldn't hold the ball up, and poor in the air, just like Watters. Unlike Watters, Glatzel could score if given a chance in the penalty area, but that was his only attribute.

A striker that puts chances away, who needs that in their team?!

[LeningradCowboy]

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Thirty one goals in fifty three games for a team that, clearly, is a lot better than us and yet City fans think he can’t play :facepalm: Apart from Keiffer Moore for a season, Kenneth Zohore for a few months and Kenwyne Jones who had an okay scoring rate in his time here, Cardiff City has been a graveyard club for strikers since the days of Chopra and Bothroyd - could the way we have played for most of that time have something to do with it?

Kieffer Moore didn't have much trouble scoring when he played for the same Cardiff team as Robert Glatzel. Glatzel scores plenty of goals for Hamburg because Bundesliga 2 is a lower standard of football than the Championship. It's not that complicated.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Kieffer Moore didn't have much trouble scoring when he played for the same Cardiff team as Robert Glatzel. Glatzel scores plenty of goals for Hamburg because Bundesliga 2 is a lower standard of football than the Championship. It's not that complicated.

That being the case, how do you explain Tommy Doyle being unable to get a game for Hamburg but walking straight into a Championship side?

Perhaps it’s a little more complicated than you imagine.

[LeningradCowboy]

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Pretty good attribute for a striker.

Poor in the air, didn’t score a single header for City, and yet has scored plenty of fine headers for Hamburg. Why do you think that is? Confidence? Better service?

I don’t know the answer, but the evidence from his time at Hamburg very clearly demonstrates he’s not poor in the air.

I think Glatzel is playing against much worse defenders now than he did for Cardiff.

[The Lone Gunman]

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I think Glatzel is playing against much worse defenders now than he did for Cardiff.

Fair enough. I’m not sure that’s correct and I’m 100% confident Max Watters wouldn’t score anywhere near as many goals in Bundesliga 2, but you may be onto something here. Perhaps City can try to sell Watters to a Bundesliga 2 side in the summer.