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How is everyone feeling about this?
That privatisation has left the country in the toilet with no flushQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Yet the water companies ( and other utilities) are paying record dividends to their shareholders.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It’s strange that the regulators just keep allowing this to happen ……:sherlock:
I do worry when I see the regulators at a select committee trying to explain everything away as a work in progress, you have been around for a while guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
There must be a whole bunch of junior staff who join these regulators with the noble intention of holding firms to account and impacting the consumer positively and then you hear the media trained quasi politician plonker in charge and it's no surprise they achieve next to nothing.
Privatisation is such a good 'jobs for the boys' program though. 20+ water companies, all of them that I have looked up (albeit only 3) went to a fee paying school. If they were heading up a nationalised water system, they would have top-down pay restraint placed upon them from the government limiting them to earning 150/200k. You go from one job for the boys paying 200k, to 20+ paying 1-3 million each delivering the same service.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The people who voted Conservative but now moan about high water and energy prices can kiss my arseQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Ridiculous statementQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Yes of course it was a ridiculous statement....Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Welsh Water is not nationalised - it is run as a not for profit. It is not owned by UK or Welsh Gov thank fuc k.
It has a core business organisation - and EVERYTHING else is contracted out to private companies (shock horror!!). The beauty is - Welsh avoid having to employ these people (more shock...), if these companies do a bad job - their contract is not renewed. A not for profit organisation operating exactly like a private enterprise - just without the share holders.
Dont be fooled into thinking Welsh Water is nationalised - it isnt.
I don't care if you think it's a ridiculous statementQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
We were told that privatisation would lead to higher prices and poorer services
And that the initial,cost of reducing costs to the taxpayer would be met by the customer
And that's exactly what's happened
You are guilty but not me
I didn't vote for it
So it's a private enterprise then providing a public serviceQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Well what a surprise that's a screw up too
Thatcher would have supported that
Not me , I didn't vote for it
"We’re the only water company of its kind in the UK. We don’t have shareholders, which means we put every penny back into looking after your water and our beautiful environment – now and for years to come. Learn more · In this document, you will find key information about why we have created an Open Data Strategy and how we will approach the implementation of our open data initiative. Download the document · Welsh Water is owned by Glas Cymru, a single purpose company with no shareholders and is run solely for the benefit of customers"Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
https://corporate.dwrcymru.com/en
Hope that helps your understanding of modus operandi
I don't care what it's calledQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
If water was nationalised it wouldn't be here
All the money that Welsh water makes goes back into the business for re investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
There are no shareholders (tick in your box)
There are dividend payments (tick in your box)
It doesnt employ thousands of people - with unionised / public sector - I'll be sacked mentality (tick in my box)
If a private company is contracted in to do a piece - and they do a bad and expensive job - Welsh Water have the power to utilise another company - that may do a better job.
Sounds like a win / win for you and me here ? - and probably lots of other people. If you have ever had to deal with WW - they are great. Speak to a person who is Welsh, no foreign call centre waits.. Customer service is exceptional, response times are amazing. WW should not be changed in any way shape or form.
Phew !Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
They’re the best of a bad bunch, but hardly the paragons of, non unionised (why mention that?), virtue that you’re making them out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68563077
Do you know anyone that works for them bob?
Have you ever had to call them out to your house to sort something out?
How was there customer service?
WW is exactly how a public service should be run
And I've provided an example to show they're not quite as it good as you're making them out to be - as I said, the best of a bad bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Your ideology and bias is leaking through the cracks here.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
It's essentially a quango, higher wages at the top than if it were nationalised, completely unaccountable to voters, contracting work out is almost always a more expensive way of providing a service, you pay for the flexibility. I don't think it's a terrible model in the context of how it works here in England but it has it's problems.
It's certainly better than being nationalised and it's certainly better than what you have in england (in my humble opinion)
Everyone has an ideology and bias - and if you are telling me you dont - then I 100% do not believe you.
This year Welsh Water prices are going down (those horrible not for profit people - how dare they lower the prices)
From experience of dealing the WW - they are great - but that is just my opinion.
It definitely is better than what is available in England. I am lucky in the sense that our water company is applying to raise prices by a lower than average amount, 25%. My bias is completely clear. Human's need water to survive and I can't see much of a point to having a democratically elected government if they aren't even in charge of a need that basic.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
What would happen if Welsh Water suddenly became shit at what they do, who is in control of their remit/permit to be the sole provider of water to Wales?
It might not be on the horizon but you only need to look a few miles to the east to see just how dysfunctional a system can be.
WW want to increase charges by 42 percentQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
The second highest in the UK
https://corporate.dwrcymru.com/en/ne...all-from-april "Dŵr Cymru Welsh Water has confirmed that its bills for the coming year are set to fall and are also reminding customers of the help it has available as the cost of living crisis continues.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
While customers are set to see a reduction in charges, the company is aware that a lot of customers still find the economic conditions challenging. The company already supports around 145,000 of its customers who are genuinely struggling to pay their water bills – and still has capacity to support thousands more" Feb 2024
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66978977
"Welsh Water bills may rise £120 by 2030 to tackle pollution" Oct 2023
https://www.freeflush.co.uk/blogs/fr...lls-in-britain
The full list of water companies and their yearly bills is as follows:
- Thames Water: £440
- Severn Trent: £502
- Northumberland Water: £539
- Yorkshire Water: £562
- Northern Ireland Water: £596
- Scottish Water: £600
- Anglian Water: £619
- Dwr Cymru Welsh Water: £636
- United Utilities: £652
- Southern Water: £673
- Wessex Water: £728
- South West Water: £943
Oh I took Pipster at face value when he said they are reducing billsQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Edit/ sent before Pipsters response..
5th most expensive out of 12Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
It's hardly a ringing endorsement is it ?