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Will it work?
Not very socailist?
Apparently, A pension you might have paid into for 50+years is now a benefit :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
socialists here socialists there socialists every fkin where repeat to fade
10 x more despicable than Thatcher, I might have to vote again :hehe:
Not sure what heathblue is on about. I have just read the summary on the BBC and it doesn't look like it does much to me. It in part seems to aim to reduce the overhead on cases where the claimants ability to work will never change, which is a good thing.
The country is in enormous trouble, and it's absolutely been turbo boosted by COVID and working from home which on a mass scale is a huge ingredient for shocking mental health. God help kids today
I might be an outlier but I love working from home. Not donating an hour or two a day to physically getting to work, eat better, but at the same time I know I'm not someone who really needs to be in the middle of something to be happy. My mate from uni is hating fully remote because he's a full on extrovert that needs that buzzing environment, different strokes and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Agree with this. WFH has been a massive benefit to me in terms of increasing exercise and reducing stress, bad eating etc. I’ve always been fine with just my own company though. There’s so many people who it wouldn’t suit at all though and I think for people just starting out in their career it would be a massive negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Back to the op what they’ve announced doesn’t seem overly dramatic.
Talk about mental health every day on social media, here, in the pub, and on the news and people will believe they have, or maybe developed bad mental health.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
In the old days when people had it, a lot didn't know they had it.
What I'm trying to say is you can talk yourself into it.
This exercise though is to try and find the people pretending to have poor mental health issues that they don't have, it's the modern-day bad back.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I think two things can be true at once. There is no question that given any benefit of process there will be some that will seek to exploit or cheat the system and mental health is perhaps an example of that.
But there is absolutely truth in what's happening too. Young and vulnerable people are suffering from worsening mental health and there are no doubt many causes but a lack of interaction, shared spaces, experiences and events is absolutely part of this. Top of the list here is the millions of people who used to work together and now work alone. It goes way beyond the positives of flexibility or the odd day at home and actually entrenches existing inequalities, with those with happier home lives, large homes, the money to heat them, who have benefitted from decades of in-person learning being far less exposed than the young, those on power incomes, those who benefit from in person learning, those in shared housing etc now asked to work from the same room they sleep in.
There is a real crisis going on, it's not made up at all. Lots and lots of people have real thoughts about what the purpose of this all is and find many aspects of modern life deeply dystopian.
I'm a fan of young people getting back to the office for the reasons you list. I think most would benefit, but there will always be loners who are better away from humans, we have loads of them on here. So I think the hybrid model would fit most businesses and staff with maybe at least two full days in the office each week and more for people who want to go back more often.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yeah it will be part of it for some people but I think there is a danger that you are identifying the problem (working remotely) and then searching for data to fit to that. The reality is it works for some people and it doesn't work for others, and if you want either of those you can make sacrifices to find a job that suits you. Ultimately you have to find your own peace, for some people that is distraction and keeping artificially busy, for me having the time to go on an hour's walk a day on my own makes a massive difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I think you are spot on not to view this predominantly as a 'people taking the piss out of the system' problem though. Mental health is very real and resilience fluctuates. I have had times where every little thing affects me and times where nothing affects me.
My worry with any government policy around this is the stick is easier to deploy than the carrot, it's far easier to choose to punish someone into action than to carefully encourage them into action.
No it isn't that's fecking bollocksQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
It's making it harder for genuinely unwell people to get support by moving the goalposts
If you have cancer and you can't work then if you make the test to get help even harder to pass .....you still have cancer and you still can't work
In several years time many of the people who think ....oh its only to catch out the skivers or those making it up are going to be needing care , support and help
I look forward to the cries of outrage when your sort are on here moaning and weeping that despite being ill with cancer or heart disease or serious depression ....which like cancer doesn't care if you vote Tory, are rich , poor or whatever ......that it's outrageous that YOU cant get help or support
And I will be waiting to tell you to kiss your own arse , tough luck , cry away all day
Lots of people drive , a minority get pissedQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's against the law to park in disabled bays unless you have a blue badge , a minority do it
A minority of people are in prison , most people are not
But benefits ? .....oh they are all at ,swinging the lead , I know 4 blokes in my street and my aunty gwen knows even more ! .....gossip , gossip , gossip
Don't take things personally, it's not aimed at you or anyone on here. I understand the vast majority of people are genuine.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The problem is there are far too many who are not and are trying to milk the system, and there just isn't enough money for the liberals, the Tories, reform, or Labour to keep paying people who don't need it, and that can work.
If you are going to get angry get angry at them, if people are pretending to have cancer or MS or Parkinsons, they need to be found and stopped from claiming also.
Do you realise that if this carries on without being addressed, there will be no welfare system left at all, so genuine people in the future will miss out?
PS won't happen to me, I'm mentally strong.
Covid changed the World, and lots of people decided this is nice, i'll see if I can pack in work and get on some sort of sickness benefits then fiddle with work part-time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The UK is an outlier, it's not affecting the other G7 countries in the same way since covid.
There are websites teaching people how to claim, some even charge a yearly fee for the latest buzzwords guaranteed to pass the tests, that has to stop, hopefully, they do find and take good care of the genuine recipients.
It's not nice but either they address it or in X years' time stop it for everyone as there won't be enough money for anyone.
I'm not sure if you you are disagreeing with me on this, but it doesn't sound like you would be?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I'm not saying all people are at it at all. Although I do think work is good and work is good for people, or at least it is as long as it doesn't involve healthy young people being stuck in their homes isolated from people for 40 hours a week for their careers
You are an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Mentally strong ? U utter fool
If a bloke can go to Iraq and get so ill with what he's seen he need to be in a psychiatric hospital then it can definitely happen to you as you are clearly not as mentally strong ....what a stupid self view ....as him
If you were in a serious car crash , if you were robbed by a Gunman, if you saw your loved ones die then being mentally strong doesn't come into it you idiot
And if you then needed help and support I sincerely hope you would be on a very long waiting list like everyone else
Go and play with your mentally strong mind you idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I totally agree with you JW ,Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's the idiots like Mr NCB who thinks everyone except him is a shirker who
need a lobotomy
I'm on PIP, and I can say it is not easy to get.
You have to jump through hoops to get it (Figuratively - if you could jump at all you wouldn't get it!)
I know some people know how to play the system, but I think this sort of benefit fraud is small compared to money lost through tax avoidance and evasion.
And unclaimed benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
Sludge was quite happy when they took money off the pensioners now Labour are after the shirkers he is up in arms.
You can't come on here on tell it how it is billQuote:
Originally Posted by bobh
You are dealing with people who know fck all but think they do
It's very easy to deal with fraud , especially big scale tax fraud , which costs billions
But most of the people yet again being crucified by the know everything's on here and on the radio phone ins and by the government are easy targets and many can't defend themselves
A bloke who parks in a disabled bay or who makes a false claim for some extra goods damaged in a house flood doesn't see himself as a fraud and will be the first to moan about immigrants and people on benefits
The hypocrisy and shit housery and double standards is enormous
You can't educate these ignorant fools , they know everything and will never need anything
Until they do and their hands come out , pleading
But Satan laughs at them and spreads his wings
You are confusing me with an arsehole called AlfrescoQuote:
Originally Posted by Alfresco
No confusion, you classed every pensioner the same making out they could afford doing without the heating allowance. This shirker policy seems to have hit a nerve with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I am afraid there isQuote:
Originally Posted by Alfresco
My views are that apart from his recent good work on Ukraine and jailing all those racist rioters starmer his leadership , his government and his policies has been dreadful
In fact there's a few threads about that including my views if you want to check
Take a look
You are confusing me with someone else
Don't know why the government don't means test every person claiming benefits.
I certainly agree with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Alfresco
The general argument against it is that it costs a lot to administer means testing. Also, the whole system becomes flakier if it relies on people putting money in but then not being able to benefit from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Some means testing is right, but some should also be universal. Otherwise, why not ask to see people's bank accounts before they go on the operating table?
The wealthy should pay more in tax, but they have a right to benefit from that collective funding in some cases too.
If benefits should be means tested then so should everything elseQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
The government shouldn't be throwing out winter fuel payments to some couple living on a country manor with a servant whilst some are freezing with no money for the meter
It should have been tackled years ago and Labour handled it appallingly and deserve the abuse they got
A huge financial ongoing threat is the triple lock pension which is the grim reaper and the biggest drain by far
Unless that's dealt with it's going to crucify this country far quicker than the spiralling benefits Bill
But
Unless I'm mistaken then you are essentially arguing for the end of universal healthcare and the NHS as we know it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You don't pay into a state pension. That's not how it works. It is a benefit, that's how it's always been. It's not the "socialists" who have used benefits as a slander for the last God knows how many years, and it isn't socialists who've brought the country to its knees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Surely we pay into it, through taxation and national insurance etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
That's how it is supposed to work. You pay in when you can. You get the benefit when you need it. The issues arise when there is a perception people get something for nothing esp when others are struggling etc.
Either way I don't see how the state pension isn't a benefit that we all pay into?
Absolutely true, it's a state sponsored Ponzi scheme affording the illusion of it being an investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
You are indeed completely and utterly mistaken but it's going to happen at some pointQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It absolutely has to happen, logistically and financially it's the only measure that will preserve the main aims of the NHS. The World has moved on since 1948.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
People just won't pay for it. The whole service as we know it would collapse in that scenarioQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
I'm not so sure about that. People will have to pay their taxes come what may. Some people will just have to suck it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Sludge rattled that he’s going to lose his PIP me thinks