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Thread: Labours stop the shirkers policy

  1. #26

    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You are confusing me with an arsehole called Alfresco
    No confusion, you classed every pensioner the same making out they could afford doing without the heating allowance. This shirker policy seems to have hit a nerve with you.

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    No confusion, you classed every pensioner the same making out they could afford doing without the heating allowance. This shirker policy seems to have hit a nerve with you.
    I am afraid there is

    My views are that apart from his recent good work on Ukraine and jailing all those racist rioters starmer his leadership , his government and his policies has been dreadful

    In fact there's a few threads about that including my views if you want to check

    Take a look

    You are confusing me with someone else

  3. #28

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    Don't know why the government don't means test every person claiming benefits.

  4. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    Don't know why the government don't means test every person claiming benefits.
    I certainly agree with that

  5. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I certainly agree with that
    The general argument against it is that it costs a lot to administer means testing. Also, the whole system becomes flakier if it relies on people putting money in but then not being able to benefit from it.

    Some means testing is right, but some should also be universal. Otherwise, why not ask to see people's bank accounts before they go on the operating table?

    The wealthy should pay more in tax, but they have a right to benefit from that collective funding in some cases too.

  6. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The general argument against it is that it costs a lot to administer means testing. Also, the whole system becomes flakier if it relies on people putting money in but then not being able to benefit from it.

    Some means testing is right, but some should also be universal. Otherwise, why not ask to see people's bank accounts before they go on the operating table?

    The wealthy should pay more in tax, but they have a right to benefit from that collective funding in some cases too.
    If benefits should be means tested then so should everything else

    The government shouldn't be throwing out winter fuel payments to some couple living on a country manor with a servant whilst some are freezing with no money for the meter

    It should have been tackled years ago and Labour handled it appallingly and deserve the abuse they got

    A huge financial ongoing threat is the triple lock pension which is the grim reaper and the biggest drain by far

    Unless that's dealt with it's going to crucify this country far quicker than the spiralling benefits Bill

    But

  7. #32

    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    If benefits should be means tested then so should everything else

    The government shouldn't be throwing out winter fuel payments to some couple living on a country manor with a servant whilst some are freezing with no money for the meter

    It should have been tackled years ago and Labour handled it appallingly and deserve the abuse they got

    A huge financial ongoing threat is the triple lock pension which is the grim reaper and the biggest drain by far

    Unless that's dealt with it's going to crucify this country far quicker than the spiralling benefits Bill

    But
    Unless I'm mistaken then you are essentially arguing for the end of universal healthcare and the NHS as we know it?

  8. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    Apparently, A pension you might have paid into for 50+years is now a benefit
    socialists here socialists there socialists every fkin where repeat to fade
    10 x more despicable than Thatcher, I might have to vote again
    You don't pay into a state pension. That's not how it works. It is a benefit, that's how it's always been. It's not the "socialists" who have used benefits as a slander for the last God knows how many years, and it isn't socialists who've brought the country to its knees.

  9. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    You don't pay into a state pension. That's not how it works. It is a benefit, that's how it's always been. It's not the "socialists" who have used benefits as a slander for the last God knows how many years, and it isn't socialists who've brought the country to its knees.
    Surely we pay into it, through taxation and national insurance etc?

    That's how it is supposed to work. You pay in when you can. You get the benefit when you need it. The issues arise when there is a perception people get something for nothing esp when others are struggling etc.

    Either way I don't see how the state pension isn't a benefit that we all pay into?

  10. #35

    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    You don't pay into a state pension. That's not how it works. It is a benefit, that's how it's always been. It's not the "socialists" who have used benefits as a slander for the last God knows how many years, and it isn't socialists who've brought the country to its knees.
    Absolutely true, it's a state sponsored Ponzi scheme affording the illusion of it being an investment.

  11. #36

    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Unless I'm mistaken then you are essentially arguing for the end of universal healthcare and the NHS as we know it?
    You are indeed completely and utterly mistaken but it's going to happen at some point

  12. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You are indeed completely and utterly mistaken but it's going to happen at some point
    It absolutely has to happen, logistically and financially it's the only measure that will preserve the main aims of the NHS. The World has moved on since 1948.

  13. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    It absolutely has to happen, logistically and financially it's the only measure that will preserve the main aims of the NHS. The World has moved on since 1948.
    People just won't pay for it. The whole service as we know it would collapse in that scenario

  14. #39

    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    People just won't pay for it. The whole service as we know it would collapse in that scenario
    I'm not so sure about that. People will have to pay their taxes come what may. Some people will just have to suck it up.

  15. #40

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    Sludge rattled that hes going to lose his PIP me thinks

  16. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    I'm not so sure about that. People will have to pay their taxes come what may. Some people will just have to suck it up.
    Mate they wont pay their taxes to the have to pay for healthcare only for others to get it for free on their behalf, esp if those people haven't been in the country long.

    Policies like that would be a recipe for a very radical party to come in, or civil discord or both

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    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You are an idiot

    Mentally strong ? U utter fool

    If a bloke can go to Iraq and get so ill with what he's seen he need to be in a psychiatric hospital then it can definitely happen to you as you are clearly not as mentally strong ....what a stupid self view ....as him

    If you were in a serious car crash , if you were robbed by a Gunman, if you saw your loved ones die then being mentally strong doesn't come into it you idiot

    And if you then needed help and support I sincerely hope you would be on a very long waiting list like everyone else
    You do realise that there were World wars and people saw horrendous things, got to the end of the WAR, and cracked on and rebuilt the Country???

    Some people are mentally strong and some are not otherwise the NHS couldn't cope because everyone would be in there at once saying they are stressed or anxious asking for help.

    More people are suffering from taking too much dope than being in the army in Iraq.

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    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Go and play with your mentally strong mind you idiot
    How can you play with your mind?

  19. #44

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    The system is open to abuse in its current form.
    Last edited by Alfresco; 20-03-25 at 23:13. Reason: Not finished

  20. #45

    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    The system is open to abuse in its current form.
    I agree as is the tax system and free bus passes and disabled parking badges

  21. #46

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    You are a fecking idiot

    Many of those who saw horrors in the war came home and ended up dead from suicide or alcohol a few years later from the nightmares and flashbacks

    You really are a clown

    You could get to 65 , be a big tough guy like you and you are in a serious car crash or your missus drops dead in your arms or your daughter or son snuff it

    It's got feck all to do with wether you have a strong mind you ill educated arse wipe

    Now feck off and good luck if you lose a leg to cancer , I am sure your mental strength will get you through

  22. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Sludge rattled that he’s going to lose his PIP me thinks
    My bank account is bulging

    Just like my pants whenever I look at you

    ❤️ xx

  23. #48

    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    You do realise that there were World wars and people saw horrendous things, got to the end of the WAR, and cracked on and rebuilt the Country???

    Some people are mentally strong and some are not otherwise the NHS couldn't cope because everyone would be in there at once saying they are stressed or anxious asking for help.

    More people are suffering from taking too much dope than being in the army in Iraq.
    Fecking asshole

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    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You are a fecking idiot

    Many of those who saw horrors in the war came home and ended up dead from suicide or alcohol a few years later from the nightmares and flashbacks

    You really are a clown

    You could get to 65 , be a big tough guy like you and you are in a serious car crash or your missus drops dead in your arms or your daughter or son snuff it

    It's got feck all to do with wether you have a strong mind you ill educated arse wipe

    Now feck off and good luck if you lose a leg to cancer , I am sure your mental strength will get you through
    hhhmmm I'm an uneducated ******** that can spell whether

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    Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Sludge rattled that he’s going to lose his PIP me thinks
    Me thinks he's sh!tting his pants he may have to work.

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