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13-03-23, 10:04
the other bob wilson

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Lineker to return to the BBC this weekend after announcement of an independent review into social media guidelines.
13-03-23, 10:09
TWGL1

Re: Gary Knober Lineker

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's strange that all the tory boys on here seem to be supporting the government , saying they are only doing what's right for the country whilst at the same time slagging off Gary Lineker ?

What a coincidence

Are you sure about that , I certainly support Gary and am pleased things are resolved…….. the current government are an embarrassment.
13-03-23, 10:10
Dave Blue

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Lineker to return to the BBC this weekend after announcement of an independent review into social media guidelines.

Enraged gammon alert in 3..2…1
13-03-23, 10:25
The Bloop

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

Enraged gammon alert in 3..2…1

Enraged gammons are as entitled to express their opinion as much as anyone else.🙂
13-03-23, 10:28
Elwood Blues

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Lineker to return to the BBC this weekend after announcement of an independent review into social media guidelines.

Which, despite my misgivings about what he said, would have been the sensible step in the first place!
13-03-23, 12:59
chrisp_1927

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

If he owes tax then I hope he gets the book thrown at him. But is anyone really suggesting that the 2 cases are linked in any way ? Seems like a bit of a desperate smear to link the 2.
13-03-23, 17:11
ninian opinian

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Blue

Enraged gammon alert in 3..2…1

Here’s an enraged gammon, Tory MP Brendan Clarke Smith :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

https://twitter.com/imincorrigible/s...ZQyp-iO2wYo4Kg
13-03-23, 22:07
MOZZER2

Re: IR35

Quote:

Originally Posted by pipster

The alternative theory is this - Lineker was found to be breech of IR35 tax laws by HMRC - it is to do with whether he is employed by the BBC or is an independent contractor (where he pays a lot less tax - as does the bbc). HMRC fined him 4.6 million , Lineker appealed the decision and the case is coming up very soon.

What's that got to do with it ...?

Simple - If the BBC win and prove they have control over what he does etc - HMRC will use this as a reference that he is in fact employed - and the fine stands. If Lineker is allowed to do what he wants regardless of what the BBC say - then his lawyers will use this as a case that he is in fact a contractor and try for the fine to be over turned.

High stakes for all concerned, Lineker will also have to pay costs if he loses. So to all concerned - it's not quite as it seems. Lineker tried using the defence that he does other work for other companies - but IR35 doesnt work like that and is ruled on a per contract basis.

This whole IR35 regulation changed in April 2021 . the end user or in simple terms the contractor decided there status regarding taxation before that date . After April 2021 the employer decides the status if someone who works for them is inside or outside IR35 .Was a massive change this was to try and catch people who ' disguised ' being employed for company's

Before April 2021 the general rule of thumb was if a company employed anyone using a LTD company for more than 2 years the law would describe you as an employee but some cases would win and some lose depending on the circumstances if it went to court

Hence any contract / freelance role since April 2021 the employer must state if the role is inside or outside IR35 due to the law change .Haven't looked at Linekers case so can't comment regarding his appeal .However after April 2021 not only him but the BBC would owe alot of money if found guilty in a court situation even after an appeal

In terms of terms and conditions most contractors would sign a form with the employer in this case the BBC so you can see where the BBC announcement comes from .I guess they are writing new terms and conditions for all there contract staff right now

When is his appeal date ?

by the way you mentioned if the BBC win ? I think that's an incorrect statement . HMRC would win or would claim money on tax owed to them . If he loses his appeal that's when his terms and conditions would be looked at hence all the circus going on at the minute
14-03-23, 11:19
JamesWales

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

So cutting through this, if Lineker earns £1.35m from the BBC, what is he likely to be paying in tax on that?

If he was an employee then he would be paying 45% on anything over £150k, (ie nearly all of it) so would be paying about £600,000 in income tax on that £1.35

I understand that there are different tax policies for different types of workers, but I wonder, is there any way to make an educated guess on what tax he may be paying on that £1.35m?
14-03-23, 11:40
Jordi Culé

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesWales

So cutting through this, if Lineker earns £1.35m from the BBC, what is he likely to be paying in tax on that?

If he was an employee then he would be pa9ying 45% on anything over £150k, (ie nearly all of it) so would be paying about £600,000 in income tax on that £1.35

I understand that there are different tax policies for different types of workers, but I wonder, is there any way to make an educated guess on what tax he may be paying on that £1.35m?

Have fun. Make sure you let us all know you're conclusions.

https://www.gov.uk/estimate-income-tax
14-03-23, 11:43
JamesWales

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Have fun. Make sure you let us all know you're conclusions.

https://www.gov.uk/estimate-income-tax

Thanks for that, but I know what I pay in tax. I'm wondering what those who use the method that Lineker does would pay on that £1.35m the BBC gives him..
14-03-23, 13:09
Rjk

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

cracking David squires comic strip today on this topic
14-03-23, 13:32
the other bob wilson

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

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Originally Posted by Rjk

cracking David squires comic strip today on this topic

https://www.theguardian.com/football...ternative-motd
14-03-23, 13:48
JamesWales

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rjk

cracking David squires comic strip today on this topic

Well I can see why Guardian fans would love it. Ticks a lot of their editorial boxes in one cartoon!
14-03-23, 14:27
Tito Fuente

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well I can see why Guardian fans would love it. Ticks a lot of their editorial boxes in one cartoon!

Would you care to share some Guid-ian comics for balance?
14-03-23, 14:33
JamesWales

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tito Fuente

Would you care to share some Guid-ian comics for balance?

Nah you are okay, thanks for the offer though.👍
14-03-23, 14:46
Tito Fuente

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesWales

Nah you are okay, thanks for the offer though.👍

Booo! I was hoping to see some IR35 references in satirical cartoon form :cry:
14-03-23, 15:01
Dorcus

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

https://www.theguardian.com/football...ternative-motd

Thanks Bob, that was brilliant, as usual, from Squires.
14-03-23, 15:14
Eric Cartman

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well I can see why Guardian fans would love it. Ticks a lot of their editorial boxes in one cartoon!

Why do you seem so butthurt about the BBC climb down when you originally said Lineker shouldn't have been suspended? Surely you should be happy.
14-03-23, 16:18
Rjk

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

https://www.theguardian.com/football...ternative-motd

"visit Rwanda" and "deceive" were very nice touches
14-03-23, 17:23
pipster

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Lineker to return to the BBC this weekend after announcement of an independent review into social media guidelines.

If you listen carefully you can hear that tin can rattling in the wind of the long grass to where it has been kicked by the beeb. There will be a year long review before a year to get it published by which time Lineker will have jumped ship to BT whilst having a show on LBC or GB News (that would be an interesting show) .....
14-03-23, 17:33
Tito Fuente

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by pipster

If you listen carefully you can hear that tin can rattling in the wind of the long grass to where it has been kicked by the beeb. There will be a year long review before a year to get it published by which time Lineker will have jumped ship to BT whilst having a show on LBC or GB News (that would be an interesting show) .....

What's stopping him from working with/for BT Sport now?

He had been presenting European games on there until last year (or the year before).
14-03-23, 17:55
Elwood Blues

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

I see Lucy Powell the shadow culture minister has now said that what happened to Gary Lineker
was like something from Putin's Russia.

If Gary had been in Putin's Russia, I doubt if he would be presenting any TV programmes this .
weekend.

In a cell somewhere more likely!
14-03-23, 17:56
TWGL1

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tito Fuente

What's stopping him from working with/for BT Sport now?

He had been presenting European games on there until last year (or the year before).

Shearer and Lineker have worked for Qatari owned BeIn sports in the past

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...oadcaster.html
14-03-23, 18:19
MOZZER2

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesWales

So cutting through this, if Lineker earns £1.35m from the BBC, what is he likely to be paying in tax on that?

If he was an employee then he would be paying 45% on anything over £150k, (ie nearly all of it) so would be paying about £600,000 in income tax on that £1.35

I understand that there are different tax policies for different types of workers, but I wonder, is there any way to make an educated guess on what tax he may be paying on that £1.35m?

almost impossible to predict what his tax burden would be if he has been working using either a LTD company or sole trader for the reasons below

just a little about terminology he would personally not get 1.35 million from the BBC his company would . He would be a director of the company but also an employee of the company which means he can pay himself from the company

in terms of taxation 4 things

1 - He would pay himself a salary out of his company ( most free lancers pay themselves just under the threshold of paying any tax )
2 - Dividend tax - most freelancers take out dividends out of there business subject to taxation at certain levels
2 - He would pay corporation tax on his profit over the financial year .Was 19% think its going up to 25% this year
3 - He would pay VAT on anything over £85k but maybe more due to his turnover ( i would have to check that )

In terms of this most free lancers you can also claim on things like petrol and travel allowance , food allowance , accommodation , renting or leasing cars for his business , paying his phones , pension contributions , flat rate allowances etc and offset tax all out of his business

He also works for BT Sports so i guess he would be doing the same thing there and any other company he freelances for .Note taxation is different if he operates as a sole trader but i doubt he would be . But 1 thing for sure he would be paying less than 600K

As a rule of thumb in most industry's what ever an employee earns in 1 year a free lancer would earn in 6 months in the same company doing the same job and pay less tax before April 2021
14-03-23, 18:25
pipster

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

IR35 is applied per contract. So HMRC would come after him for BT work and anywhere else he had been working for a period of time.

It is up to the client to determine the status (so all companies defer to saying the 'contractor' is inside IR35.)

If inside IR35 and for example you earn 100k a year - from memory your are allowed 5k in expenses - the rest is treated as taxable(income tax plus national insurance) the bbc also have to pay employers NI contributions.

Lineker lost his case and had to pay 4.6 million - his appeal is up shortly (I hear May - but seen it confirmed)
14-03-23, 21:40
JamesWales

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOZZER2

almost impossible to predict what his tax burden would be if he has been working using either a LTD company or sole trader for the reasons below

just a little about terminology he would personally not get 1.35 million from the BBC his company would . He would be a director of the company but also an employee of the company which means he can pay himself from the company

in terms of taxation 4 things

1 - He would pay himself a salary out of his company ( most free lancers pay themselves just under the threshold of paying any tax )
2 - Dividend tax - most freelancers take out dividends out of there business subject to taxation at certain levels
2 - He would pay corporation tax on his profit over the financial year .Was 19% think its going up to 25% this year
3 - He would pay VAT on anything over £85k but maybe more due to his turnover ( i would have to check that )

In terms of this most free lancers you can also claim on things like petrol and travel allowance , food allowance , accommodation , renting or leasing cars for his business , paying his phones , pension contributions , flat rate allowances etc and offset tax all out of his business

He also works for BT Sports so i guess he would be doing the same thing there and any other company he freelances for .Note taxation is different if he operates as a sole trader but i doubt he would be . But 1 thing for sure he would be paying less than 600K

As a rule of thumb in most industry's what ever an employee earns in 1 year a free lancer would earn in 6 months in the same company doing the same job and pay less tax before April 2021

Very interesting, thanks. I get the need for different tax regime for freelancers and being at the top of the game means the system suits him well.

It is a bit galling though, and presumably this is the kind of tax avoidance that people cite as needing to be clamped down upon when they want to see big increases in public spending etc.
14-03-23, 21:50
Heathblue

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesWales

Very interesting, thanks. I get the need for different tax regime for freelancers and being at the top of the game means the system suits him well.

It is a bit galling though, and presumably this is the kind of tax avoidance that people cite as needing to be clamped down upon when they want to see big increases in public spending etc.

Thinly veiled Mozzer paid next to no tax while freelancing :hehe:
14-03-23, 22:20
Jordi Culé

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesWales

Very interesting, thanks. I get the need for different tax regime for freelancers and being at the top of the game means the system suits him well.

It is a bit galling though, and presumably this is the kind of tax avoidance that people cite as needing to be clamped down upon when they want to see big increases in public spending etc.

There we go, we knew you'd get to your point (conclusion) in the end.

St. Lineker is a bona fide tax dodger. The hypocritical leftie waanker.
14-03-23, 22:39
Tito Fuente

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWGL1

Shearer and Lineker have worked for Qatari owned BeIn sports in the past

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...oadcaster.html

I'm not sure what that has to do with people saying that he wants to jump ship to BT Sport but thank you for your contribution.
14-03-23, 22:40
Tito Fuente

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by pipster

IR35 is applied per contract. So HMRC would come after him for BT work and anywhere else he had been working for a period of time.

It is up to the client to determine the status (so all companies defer to saying the 'contractor' is inside IR35.)

If inside IR35 and for example you earn 100k a year - from memory your are allowed 5k in expenses - the rest is treated as taxable(income tax plus national insurance) the bbc also have to pay employers NI contributions.

Lineker lost his case and had to pay 4.6 million - his appeal is up shortly (I hear May - but seen it confirmed)

:shrug:
15-03-23, 07:06
the other bob wilson

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

I see Lucy Powell the shadow culture minister has now said that what happened to Gary Lineker
was like something from Putin's Russia.

If Gary had been in Putin's Russia, I doubt if he would be presenting any TV programmes this .
weekend.

In a cell somewhere more likely!

Labour have been pathetic in the whole Lineker episode.
15-03-23, 07:08
the other bob wilson

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

There we go, we knew you'd get to your point (conclusion) in the end.

St. Lineker is a bona fide tax dodger. The hypocritical leftie waanker.

Strange that no one was talking about tax until it began to look like Lineker was "going to get away it".
15-03-23, 09:26
Rjk

Re: Lineker dropped from Match of the Day

Quote:

Originally Posted by lardy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING ��<br><br>The GB News alternative Match of the Day was better than any parody we could have come up with. <a href="https://t.co/t0gOAwwnMd">pic.twitter.com/t0gOAwwnMd</a></p>— Politics For You (@PoliticoForYou) <a href="https://twitter.com/PoliticoForYou/status/1634706875005431813?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh my god, that's hilariously bad

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