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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
The Brighton bombing was the act of evil cowards
But you can't have your cake and eat it .......Thatcher was talking to the IRA
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
How is the pip situation going ?
I have heard some right horror stories
Not a dicky bird yet.
My wife has expressed her concerns to our doctor who told her "if you don't get it no one will" which is a bit of a mixed blessing to be honest!!
She has only just come out if UHW after a six week stay and the physio were greatly concerned about her mobility which should help.
I'm worried that she may be in again before Xmas.
Ho hum.
Sorry for deviating from thread people.
Can't be bothered to mess about with PM
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Not a dicky bird yet.
My wife has expressed her concerns to our doctor who told her "if you don't get it no one will" which is a bit of a mixed blessing to be honest!!
She has only just come out if UHW after a six week stay and the physio were greatly concerned about her mobility which should help.
I'm worried that she may be in again before Xmas.
Ho hum.
Sorry for deviating from thread people.
Can't be bothered to mess about with PM
I am really sorry to hear that
A nurse I know suffered a blood clot which has left her housebound , barely able to walk and she has put on loads of weight
She was refused the new benefit and was told to appeal but she couldn't deal with the stress , she's in a very bad way
It's a disgrace , it really is
However in your wife's case you must fight all the way and get an advocate to act on your behalf , taking it to tribunal if you have to
Riverside advice centre in Cardiff are very good , Google them or I will dig out the number for you
Take care mate
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I am really sorry to hear that
A nurse I know suffered a blood clot which has left her housebound , barely able to walk and she has put on loads of weight
She was refused the new benefit and was told to appeal but she couldn't deal with the stress , she's in a very bad way
It's a disgrace , it really is
However in your wife's case you must fight all the way and get an advocate to act on your behalf , taking it to tribunal if you have to
Riverside advice centre in Cardiff are very good , Google them or I will dig out the number for you
Take care mate
02920 341577
Help and support with legal matters , housing and benefits , including filling in forms , appeals and representation at tribunals
You will need to book a slot first , they have legal aid lawyers
Lower cathedral road , Riverside , Cardiff
If you are out of the Cardiff area , they will put you in touch with a local service
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I am really sorry to hear that
A nurse I know suffered a blood clot which has left her housebound , barely able to walk and she has put on loads of weight
She was refused the new benefit and was told to appeal but she couldn't deal with the stress , she's in a very bad way
It's a disgrace , it really is
However in your wife's case you must fight all the way and get an advocate to act on your behalf , taking it to tribunal if you have to
Riverside advice centre in Cardiff are very good , Google them or I will dig out the number for you
Take care mate
02920 341577
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It makes me laugh when right wingers bang on about Corbyn’s alleged terrorist links when we have a Tory Govt backed up by the ****ing DUP
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Corbyn's answer to everything is to throw money into it. No wonder so many voted for him. If I was a student who was offered free tuition fees why would I vote for anyone else? However in the real world it is unclear where the money is going to come from for things like rail privatisation, buying out of PFI contracts, higher wages for public sector workers etc etc. Taxing business and the wealthy simply doesn't work. Indeed lower taxes for the wealthy bring in more tax. Socialism doesn't work and has in some cases resulted in economic bankruptcy.
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
It makes me laugh when right wingers bang on about Corbyn’s alleged terrorist links when we have a Tory Govt backed up by the ****ing DUP
Indeed
Gay bashing terrorists who believe the world was created 10000 years ago
As does Theresa may if her church attendance is anything to go by
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Corbyn's answer to everything is to throw money into it. No wonder so many voted for him. If I was a student who was offered free tuition fees why would I vote for anyone else? However in the real world it is unclear where the money is going to come from for things like rail privatisation, buying out of PFI contracts, higher wages for public sector workers etc etc. Taxing business and the wealthy simply doesn't work. Indeed lower taxes for the wealthy bring in more tax. Socialism doesn't work and has in some cases resulted in economic bankruptcy.
How did the socialist Govt fare from 1945 onwards do you think? Was it socialism or capitalism that bankrupted us in 2008?
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Corbyn's answer to everything is to throw money into it. No wonder so many voted for him. If I was a student who was offered free tuition fees why would I vote for anyone else? However in the real world it is unclear where the money is going to come from for things like rail privatisation, buying out of PFI contracts, higher wages for public sector workers etc etc. Taxing business and the wealthy simply doesn't work. Indeed lower taxes for the wealthy bring in more tax. Socialism doesn't work and has in some cases resulted in economic bankruptcy.
It worked in the post war period , it can work now
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TISS
Non sequitur.
If you sell off 1000 homes you reduce demand by 1000 also, as those former tenants no longer require social housing (as they own their home).
The total housing stock doesn't change, the total number of occupiers doesn't change. What does change is the legal owner.
You still haven't addressed the issue of new people wanting social housing. Youngsters moving out of family homes, couples splitting and one needing accomodation, etc etc.
By your logic we never need more housing as demand always stays the same. Bollocks.
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
You still haven't addressed the issue of new people wanting social housing. Youngsters moving out of family homes, couples splitting and one needing accomodation, etc etc.
By your logic we never need more housing as demand always stays the same. Bollocks.
Domestic violence leading to women with children fleeing to a women's aid hostel then needing housing .....let's call the council ......this woman is vulnerable and in priority need because she has children .....
Council ? Oh sorry we have been forced to sell them
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
You still haven't addressed the issue of new people wanting social housing. Youngsters moving out of family homes, couples splitting and one needing accomodation, etc etc.
By your logic we never need more housing as demand always stays the same. Bollocks.
Demand is bound to stay the same if the population has only increased by multi millions. Oh!
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
You still haven't addressed the issue of new people wanting social housing. Youngsters moving out of family homes, couples splitting and one needing accomodation, etc etc.
By your logic we never need more housing as demand always stays the same. Bollocks.
Have you addressed the older generation dying?
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
In the post war years until 1952 , we had a true socialist government under the great Clement Attlee
That's what we need to get back to , a society for all of us
Since Thatcher turned up , the free market has destroyed all sense of society and caring for people less fortunate than ourselves
Today greed , self interest rule and everything that isn't nailed down has been sold
The railways , public utilities , etc and the NHS is next
Forget may , forget Cameron , forget new labour and it's pretend caring side
The country needs someone like corbyn
If he can get rid of the hangers on , we might turn around the never ending race to the bottom and me me me culture we have seen envelop this country
Happy Christmas , especially to the poor , those sleeping on the streets and the marginalised in society
The shame is: that with all the money the free market generates, there is more than enough to pay for health, education and the needy.
However, keep them fat and stupid seems to be working well for the 1%.
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Originally Posted by
Nick
Have you addressed the older generation dying?
Yes.
An older person passing away would leave a council house for someone on the waiting list to be homed in. A person passing away who has bought their property will pass their house on to family etc. If that house hasn't been replaced by the local authority, then there is one less property to go to someone adding themselves to a waiting list.
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
The shame is: that with all the money the free market generates, there is more than enough to pay for health, education and the needy.
However, keep them fat and stupid seems to be working well for the 1%.
Come the revolution but not in my lifetime
It will all be too late by then
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
02920 341577
Help and support with legal matters , housing and benefits , including filling in forms , appeals and representation at tribunals
You will need to book a slot first , they have legal aid lawyers
Lower cathedral road , Riverside , Cardiff
If you are out of the Cardiff area , they will put you in touch with a local service
Thank you Sludge. Did the DLA forms myself last time and they look similar,but it took ages and I am not sure I have the energy at the moment.
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Yes.
An older person passing away would leave a council house for someone on the waiting list to be homed in. A person passing away who has bought their property will pass their house on to family etc. If that house hasn't been replaced by the local authority, then there is one less property to go to someone adding themselves to a waiting list.
There's a bloke lives by me in a council house , he's ninety , real good bloke , he could have bought his house years ago , he has plenty of family he could pass it onto
But he's a true socialist and that property will be available for the next family in need of social housing when he passes away
That's what council houses were built for in the post war period , not to be sold off on the free market leading to increased social division , leaving what remains to be a dumping ground for the vulnerable
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Thank you Sludge. Did the DLA forms myself last time and they look similar,but it took ages and I am not sure I have the energy at the moment.
No problem mate , you are welcome , get in touch with them , they will go through things with you , take the stress off you and your Mrs
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
In the post war years until 1952 , we had a true socialist government under the great Clement Attlee
That's what we need to get back to , a society for all of us
Since Thatcher turned up , the free market has destroyed all sense of society and caring for people less fortunate than ourselves
Today greed , self interest rule and everything that isn't nailed down has been sold
The railways , public utilities , etc and the NHS is next
Forget may , forget Cameron , forget new labour and it's pretend caring side
The country needs someone like corbyn
If he can get rid of the hangers on , we might turn around the never ending race to the bottom and me me me culture we have seen envelop this country
Happy Christmas , especially to the poor , those sleeping on the streets and the marginalised in society
The trouble with your argument is that Corbyn isnt a true Socialist, he is a Trotskyist/Communist, supported by people like that paragon of virtue 'The Socialist Worker' and hooligans like 'Momentum'. God knows where we will end up if we start agreeing with them.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Have a look at Somalia, with practically zero state- that's where the Tories want to take us.
Reductio ad absurdum works both ways.
“When we celebrate, and it is a cause for celebration, the achievements of Venezuela, in jobs, in housing, in health, in education, but above all its role in the whole world as a completely different place, then we do that because we recognise what they have achieved.”
Care to point out when any Tory has praised Somalia in such gushing terms? No? Absurdum indeed.
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come on mike. this shouldn't be here!!!!
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EDIT: Deleted a very belated duplicate post for some wierd reason.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
You are wasting your time with supporters of free market capitalism mate
Keep the faith , one day it's all going to go tits up and the never ending greed of today's society will be responsible
Sadly sludge you're wrong.
the soviet union was founded on the priciple but it didn't work. One of the main reasons it didn't work was greed, the so called socialist aparatchiks were just as greedy as you say the tories are.
Even in bad times they produced enough food to feed the nation but it rotted in railway sidings because no one could afford to pay the bribes needed to get it moved. thew whole society was build on bribery and corruption And don't tell me that is western propagand because I know for a fact it isn't. I live in a society where the practice of paying to make a document acceptable still goes on, a society where ordinary working people are still in poverty, and I mean true poverty not like the so called poor here.
People work all their lives for a pittance with no health provision no old age pension and unless their family buys it collectively no home, literally no home with no chance of the government even pretending to help.
My wife grew up in this society. She told m for example that before 1992 they only had 3 kinds of soap, green whiute and black - and they were all horrible. All they had to eat was potatoes and bread. No butter, it was unheard of.
She only gets things done now because she is married to "An Englishman" (they don't know the difference) which means she has the money to do the things her erstwhile peers cannot do, and people either want to be associated with her for the kudos or they're afraid to try and rip her off in case I complain through the british embassy.
This is socialism truly at work, or rather the tail end of it in a country kicking and screaming to free itself of all the socialism it enjoyed for 80+ years.
If you want that for this country then I for one am out!!!!
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Sadly sludge you're wrong.
the soviet union was founded on the priciple but it didn't work. One of the main reasons it didn't work was greed, the so called socialist aparatchiks were just as greedy as you say the tories are.
Even in bad times they produced enough food to feed the nation but it rotted in railway sidings because no one could afford to pay the bribes needed to get it moved. thew whole society was build on bribery and corruption And don't tell me that is western propagand because I know for a fact it isn't. I live in a society where the practice of paying to make a document acceptable still goes on, a society where ordinary working people are still in poverty, and I mean true poverty not like the so called poor here.
People work all their lives for a pittance with no health provision no old age pension and unless their family buys it collectively no home, literally no home with no chance of the government even pretending to help.
My wife grew up in this society. She told m for example that before 1992 they only had 3 kinds of soap, green whiute and black - and they were all horrible. All they had to eat was potatoes and bread. No butter, it was unheard of.
She only gets things done now because she is married to "An Englishman" (they don't know the difference) which means she has the money to do the things her erstwhile peers cannot do, and people either want to be associated with her for the kudos or they're afraid to try and rip her off in case I complain through the british embassy.
This is socialism truly at work, or rather the tail end of it in a country kicking and screaming to free itself of all the socialism it enjoyed for 80+ years.
If you want that for this country then I for one am out!!!!
Rubbish , you are confusing socialism with communism , seen at its most blunt under Stalin
In 1945 we had a true socialist government that built the NHS , invested in public transport and social housing
That's socialism
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Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.
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Try collectivism Sludge , that maybe preferential to full on bollocking Socialism. It's an idea but unfortunately neither will succeed . All the problems in our social and health services come from complete mismanagement. We waste so much public money it is staggering. If a political party addresses this , I would be all over it like a rash .
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
However in the real world it is unclear where the money is going to come from for things like rail privatisation
Can you explain what you mean by this?
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Taxing business and the wealthy simply doesn't work
It seems to work quite well actually, it is what we currently do.
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In the end every ideology falls flat on its face because because it doesn't account for the fact that such a high proportion of humans are self-serving greedy *****.
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Try collectivism Sludge , that maybe preferential to full on bollocking Socialism. It's an idea but unfortunately neither will succeed . All the problems in our social and health services come from complete mismanagement. We waste so much public money it is staggering. If a political party addresses this , I would be all over it like a rash .
Massive under funding has been the main issue. It's almost like the NHS is being made to fail so it can be privatised.
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Eric Cartman
Can you explain what you mean by this?
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I'be forgotten the name of it but the railway that runs the east coast of England was nationalised for one year and made a decent profit the 2 years either side is was privatised and made huge losses.
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ninianclark
The debt is 1.5 trillion
The deficit used to be 150 billion per year
The deficit is now down to 50 Billion
Corbyn / McDonnell policy was to spend 250Billion - and hope that they would be able to raise tax in order to recoup the money. They seem to forget that businesses move their money to avoid excessive damage to their income.
result - more debt - greater deficit, and with such massive increases in public spending you would introduce inflation into the economy.
It all sounds great in principle - never works in practice - if in debt see how Hollande got on in France or dare I mention it Venezuela
Yeah, and 8 years of cuts is working isn't it? We still have a deficit, a deficit that spreadsheet Phil can't eradicate, and the Tories have borrowed more than Labour. At least Labour are talking about investments - something this country needs feedy.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Rubbish , you are confusing socialism with communism , seen at its most blunt under Stalin
In 1945 we had a true socialist government that built the NHS , invested in public transport and social housing
That's socialism
Spot on.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
In the end every ideology falls flat on its face because because it doesn't account for the fact that such a high proportion of humans are self-serving greedy *****.
Yeah, ideally we'd live in a society ruled by an incorruptible, benevolent elite class. But unfortunately everyone's corrupt or corruptible.
I remember reading that the typical person on average physically meets/interacts with 80,000 people during their lifetime. That would mean a Briton would meet 1 in every 825 fellow UK citizens, a tiny fraction in anyone's book.
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Try collectivism Sludge , that maybe preferential to full on bollocking Socialism. It's an idea but unfortunately neither will succeed . All the problems in our social and health services come from complete mismanagement. We waste so much public money it is staggering. If a political party addresses this , I would be all over it like a rash .
What do you mean try collectivism? That's what we have now. Witness the 'I am my neighbour's keeper' Welfare State we have.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The Brighton bombing was the act of evil cowards
But you can't have your cake and eat it .......Thatcher was talking to the IRA
I'd suggest there's a big ****ing difference between the PM talking and a gobshite opposition backbencher doing so.
FFS, if a Tory invited a group of terrorists into HoC after a bombing targetting Labour government, you'd be yelling from the rooftops about it.
Corbyn's lies about getting involved to aid peace have been destroyed by everybody else actually involved.
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
The trouble with your argument is that Corbyn isnt a true Socialist, he is a Trotskyist/Communist
Where do you form this opinion of him from?
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Try collectivism Sludge , that maybe preferential to full on bollocking Socialism. It's an idea but unfortunately neither will succeed . All the problems in our social and health services come from complete mismanagement. We waste so much public money it is staggering. If a political party addresses this , I would be all over it like a rash .
The problem with most of the public services still left is that you cannot manage them as a private, profit seeking company.
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Originally Posted by
ccfc_is_my_life
I'd suggest there's a big ****ing difference between the PM talking and a gobshite opposition backbencher doing so.
FFS, if a Tory invited a group of terrorists into HoC after a bombing targetting Labour government, you'd be yelling from the rooftops about it.
Corbyn's lies about getting involved to aid peace have been destroyed by everybody else actually involved.
You sure about that now ?
And what do you think about Theresa may sucking up to the Saudis , selling them arms which are used to kill innocent people in the Yemen or end up going to ISIS , of which there are plenty of supporters in Saudi ?
As we are talking terrorist links , shall we debate the role of the current government in the middle East ?
