Championship attendances this weekend

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Originally Posted by Rjk

newcastle's metro area popuation is bigger

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All cities surrounding areas add to the populations but doesn’t alter the actual city’s population. Sunderland has Washington, Durham, South Shields etc on its doorstep, making their catchment area large but doesn’t alter the actual city’s population.

By the same token our area, if you include Barry, Penarth, Pontypridd etc etc make our catchment area larger but doesn’t increase Cardiff’s population.

Newcastle itself and Sunderland aren’t much different in size. Newcastle is 114 km2, Sunderland is 137.5 km2, Cardiff is 140 km2. Google is your friend:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

They were also one of the more successful clubs in the late 70s and early 80s, more successful than we've ever been. Families keep supporting the club. They never lost a generation while bobbing about in the bottom division. We're still recovering from that.

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yes spot on - not only that but while we were bobbing around in the lower leagues for 20 years, the premier league was launched with its increased exposure and reach.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

yes spot on - not only that but while we were bobbing around in the lower leagues for 20 years, the premier league was launched with its increased exposure and reach.

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This is correct, the early years of the Premier League with all its razzmatazz & hype sucked loads into the trap of being an armchair glory fan, unfortunately we were knocking around the dungeon. Other similar sized or even smaller clubs had a bit of Premier League limelight and fans stuck, our 2 or 3 thousand at the time stuck but we’ve had to work like f*ck for another 20 thousand +.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

yes spot on - not only that but while we were bobbing around in the lower leagues for 20 years, the premier league was launched with its increased exposure and reach.

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Ipswich have just had their worst patch ever no? What was it 4 yrs in league 1 post mad mick? Not that bad really……

On this day in 1980
Newcastle 2 Watford 1 (championship)
Att 14100

We had a whopping 8500 as we lost at home to Chelsea on a Friday eve

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Population of the city of Sunderland is 277,000
Population of the city of Newcastle is 300,000

Both smaller than Cardiff but not much between the two of them.

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nah, Newcastle includes Gateshead and most of Tyneside. its a much bigger place than Cardiff. Ditto Sunderland with county Durham.

Political boundaries mean nothing in respect of urban sprawl.

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Originally Posted by HiVis

nah, Newcastle includes Gateshead and most of Tyneside. its a much bigger place than Cardiff. Ditto Sunderland with county Durham.

Political boundaries mean nothing in respect of urban sprawl.

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Cardiff are the closest football club to about 1 million people. Newcastle and Sunderland are big clubs with massive catchment areas but it doesn’t get much bigger than ours.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Cardiff are the closest football club to about 1 million people. Newcastle and Sunderland are big clubs with massive catchment areas but it doesn’t get much bigger than ours.

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The Cardiff urban area is about half a million

Newcastles urban area about 850 , its substantially bigger

The capital city region is as you say about 1 million but includes Newport which is about 300 k and all the valleys towns

They might be potential Cardiff fans but as always with us it's getting them to support us that's the problem

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Originally Posted by HiVis

nah, Newcastle includes Gateshead and most of Tyneside. its a much bigger place than Cardiff. Ditto Sunderland with county Durham.

Political boundaries mean nothing in respect of urban sprawl.

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This isn't entirely accurate but close
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

If you go to " Newcastle " or "Nottingham" it's obvious they are bigger places than Cardiff despite the fact that their urban centres are smaller

Leeds is one team that has never really punched above its weight as its only got 1 club in a very big city

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Both Ipswich and Norwich. Perhaps there's not much else to do there, but I've always thought that the clubs are a huge part of their communities. Both sides have also had more success than us over the last few decades.

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That doesn't apply to Ipswich. They haven't been in the Premier League since 2002. spent the last four seasons before this in League One. Average Championship league position 2002-2019 (17 seasons) was 11.3. Cardiff City in the same period never went into League One, got to the Premier League twice and spent 18 seasons in Championship with an average league position of 9.6. Clearly a better record for City in the last two decades.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The Cardiff urban area is about half a million

Newcastles urban area about 850 , its substantially bigger

The capital city region is as you say about 1 million but includes Newport which is about 300 k and all the valleys towns

They might be potential Cardiff fans but as always with us it's getting them to support us that's the problem

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That’s not right, cardiff alone will be 450,000 soon with all the new developments north and west, you add penarth, Barry, caerphilly which are all very close or touching distance and it’s 6/700,000

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Originally Posted by dml1954

That doesn't apply to Ipswich. They haven't been in the Premier League since 2002. spent the last four seasons before this in League One. Average Championship league position 2002-2019 (17 seasons) was 11.3. Cardiff City in the same period never went into League One, got to the Premier League twice and spent 18 seasons in Championship with an average league position of 9.6. Clearly a better record for City in the last two decades.

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Go back 30 years before that too

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Originally Posted by goats

That’s not right, cardiff alone will be 450,000 soon with all the new developments north and west, you add penarth, Barry, caerphilly which are all very close or touching distance and it’s 6/700,000

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The population of the city of Cardiff is about 360k

If you add in nearby built areas like Penarth and Barry it gets to about 450 k

Newcastle and Nottingham as cities are both smaller than Cardiff but add in the urban areas that are joined to them they are much bigger

I don't know where you have been getting your data but it's incorrect

Newcastle , Nottingham both far bigger urban populations than Cardiff

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Originally Posted by dml1954

That doesn't apply to Ipswich. They haven't been in the Premier League since 2002. spent the last four seasons before this in League One. Average Championship league position 2002-2019 (17 seasons) was 11.3. Cardiff City in the same period never went into League One, got to the Premier League twice and spent 18 seasons in Championship with an average league position of 9.6. Clearly a better record for City in the last two decades.

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Ipswich spent a lot more time in the top flight historically and have European honours, they're also riding the crest of a wave at the moment, their attendances weren't this good last time they were in the Championship

You generally build a larger fanbase through sustained seasons in the top flight, something we haven't managed in the past 60 years. I think our attendances are pretty good considering how long we spent outside the top flight bouncing between the bottom 2 divisions.

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Originally Posted by City123

Ipswich spent a lot more time in the top flight historically and have European honours, they're also riding the crest of a wave at the moment, their attendances weren't this good last time they were in the Championship

You generally build a larger fanbase through sustained seasons in the top flight, something we haven't managed in the past 60 years. I think our attendances are pretty good considering how long we spent outside the top flight bouncing between the bottom 2 divisions.

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I think are attendances are OK but no more than that

I sincerely hope that future crowds at the CCS improve

Everyone's a winner in that regard

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The population of the city of Cardiff is about 360k

If you add in nearby built areas like Penarth and Barry it gets to about 450 k

Newcastle and Nottingham as cities are both smaller than Cardiff but add in the urban areas that are joined to them they are much bigger

I don't know where you have been getting your data but it's incorrect

Newcastle , Nottingham both far bigger urban populations than Cardiff

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If you Google ‘Population of Cardiff Metropolitan Area’ it’s 1,097,000, the Newcastle equivalent is 823,000, the Nottingham equivalent is 807,000 but if you include Derby, why would you though?, it’s 1,610,00. But that could be reversed and say it’s the Derby Metropolitan area that’s 1,610,000

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The population of the city of Cardiff is about 360k

If you add in nearby built areas like Penarth and Barry it gets to about 450 k

Newcastle and Nottingham as cities are both smaller than Cardiff but add in the urban areas that are joined to them they are much bigger

I don't know where you have been getting your data but it's incorrect

Newcastle , Nottingham both far bigger urban populations than Cardiff

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Cardiff’s population will be close to 400,000 in 2024, backing up what goats says, when you add 45,000 students for 9 months a year it’s in the top ten city population’s within the Uk

Off the top of my head only London ,Birmingham,Leeds , Sheffield, Glasgow ,Edinburgh ,Bristol , Manchester And Liverpool are bigger. Only Leeds has one club and also draws support from Wakefield ( as do Huddersfield). Leicester and Coventry are almost as big but they are surrounded by numerous clubs.

The UDZ is 1m 097k

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The Cardiff urban area is about half a million

Newcastles urban area about 850 , its substantially bigger

The capital city region is as you say about 1 million but includes Newport which is about 300 k and all the valleys towns

They might be potential Cardiff fans but as always with us it's getting them to support us that's the problem

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But that isn’t what I said. I am pretty confident we are the football club with the most people as their closest football club in the UK. We will get more fans if we stop being shit. The tide will turn, and losing a generation didn’t help.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

If you Google ‘Population of Cardiff Metropolitan Area’ it’s 1,097,000, the Newcastle equivalent is 823,000, the Nottingham equivalent is 807,000 but if you include Derby, why would you though?, it’s 1,610,00. But that could be reversed and say it’s the Derby Metropolitan area that’s 1,610,000

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The metropolitan population of Cardiff at 1 .1 million includes the population of Newport, 12 miles away 200 k .....Bridgend , 130 k .....18 miles away ....and much of the south wales valleys

Since when is Newport and Bridgend and Aberdare and Merthyr part of urban Cardiff ?

There is clearly a built up , continuous urban zone around Newcastle and Nottingham which makes them far bigger centres of population than Cardiff

The Cardiff urban area of around 450 k is clearly smaller than Newcastle at 823 k and Nottingham at 807 k

If you are going to use the metropolitan definition of Cardiff .....which includes 200000 people from Newport in its total ......ask them if they are from Cardiff ......then the large urban areas close to Nottingham have to be included , like Derby and Mansfield ......making Nottingham even bigger again

Metropolitan means the extent or influence of a city , the urban population is different and refers to the immediate built up areas where districts , suburbs and towns merge

Bridgend clearly isn't a part of urban Cardiff .....there are fields and meadows and cows for 18 miles between the settlements ......yet for administrative and cultural and employments it's part of if you wish .....greater Cardiff ?

But Nottingham and Newcastle have a big urban population surrounding them for several miles ....which is why they are seen as bigger cities than Cardiff even though their populations initially seem smaller

If you wander around Newcastle or Nottingham , visit the train stations , see the buildings it's obvious they serve a bigger population than Cardiff

Hope this explains things

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The metropolitan population of Cardiff at 1 .1 million includes the population of Newport, 12 miles away 200 k .....Bridgend , 130 k .....18 miles away ....and much of the south wales valleys

Since when is Newport and Bridgend and Aberdare and Merthyr part of urban Cardiff ?

There is clearly a built up , continuous urban zone around Newcastle and Nottingham which makes them far bigger centres of population than Cardiff

The Cardiff urban area of around 450 k is clearly smaller than Newcastle at 823 k and Nottingham at 807 k

If you are going to use the metropolitan definition of Cardiff .....which includes 200000 people from Newport in its total ......ask them if they are from Cardiff ......then the large urban areas close to Nottingham have to be included , like Derby and Mansfield ......making Nottingham even bigger again

Metropolitan means the extent or influence of a city , the urban population is different and refers to the immediate built up areas where districts , suburbs and towns merge

Bridgend clearly isn't a part of urban Cardiff .....there are fields and meadows and cows for 18 miles between the settlements ......yet for administrative and cultural and employments it's part of if you wish .....greater Cardiff ?

But Nottingham and Newcastle have a big urban population surrounding them for several miles ....which is why they are seen as bigger cities than Cardiff even though their populations initially seem smaller

If you wander around Newcastle or Nottingham , visit the train stations , see the buildings it's obvious they serve a bigger population than Cardiff

Hope this explains things

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We don’t need Newport, and some of those urban areas around Newcastle are just as far away as ponty from cardiff? It’s like saying Nottingham includes Derby…. Do we include Bridgend and Merthyr too?

How is Gateshead not just part of Newcastle? It’s like saying one side of the taff is a different city to the other really…..penarth is only spilt by a river is it not?

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Originally Posted by goats

We don’t need Newport, and some of those urban areas around Newcastle are just as far away as ponty from cardiff? It’s like saying Nottingham includes Derby…. Do we include Bridgend and Merthyr too?

How is Gateshead not just part of Newcastle? It’s like saying one side of the taff is a different city to the other really…..penarth is only spilt by a river is it not?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

Please read this

It's about the best explanation of the size of Newcastle, Nottingham and Cardiff urban areas

The figures given by some people on here about a Cardiff urban population of 1.1 million people include Newport which itself has an urban area of 300 k

The urban areas around Newcastle itself than make up an urban population of 823k are joined at the hip to Newcastle......Gateshead, North Shields , North Tyne side

You can't expect people to include Barry and Bridgend as part of greater Cardiff

That's why Newcastle has a bigger urban area than Cardiff . It's not about opinions , it's based on population data .

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

Please read this

It's about the best explanation of the size of Newcastle, Nottingham and Cardiff urban areas

The figures given by some people on here about a Cardiff urban population of 1.1 million people include Newport which itself has an urban area of 300 k

The urban areas around Newcastle itself than make up an urban population of 823k are joined at the hip to Newcastle......Gateshead, North Shields , North Tyne side

You can't expect people to include Barry and Bridgend as part of greater Cardiff

That's why Newcastle has a bigger urban area than Cardiff . It's not about opinions , it's based on population data .

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPON_...United_Kingdom

Barry and Penarth and are not part of the urban area of 1,000,097 , so you could argue it’s much bigger as both places should be

Bridgend is also around 140k not 24,000 so it could be bigger still

We have played top flight football twice in the past 60 years or so. Spent 20 years dying on our arses in a decaying stadium, better known for for football related violence that what happened on the playing field. Since going up to the championship we've been half decent, and apart from Dave Jones' sides (sporadically) and Warnocks for about 3-4 months, the football has been pretty shit. Another important factor is how a community is formed, and how a football club becomes the pivot within that Community, Cardiff have never been that. An interesting study would be why some football clubs get such fantastic support when they haven't been that successful, but it seems that the club is entwined within the culture of the Town or City.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

Please read this

It's about the best explanation of the size of Newcastle, Nottingham and Cardiff urban areas

The figures given by some people on here about a Cardiff urban population of 1.1 million people include Newport which itself has an urban area of 300 k

The urban areas around Newcastle itself than make up an urban population of 823k are joined at the hip to Newcastle......Gateshead, North Shields , North Tyne side

You can't expect people to include Barry and Bridgend as part of greater Cardiff

That's why Newcastle has a bigger urban area than Cardiff . It's not about opinions , it's based on population data .

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I see that, there is no gap, it’s one city really in my mind if there are no gaps….

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

They were also one of the more successful clubs in the late 70s and early 80s, more successful than we've ever been. Families keep supporting the club. They never lost a generation while bobbing about in the bottom division. We're still recovering from that.

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Not disagreeing with that Eric. Big club, bigger than than us i agree and i remember them being among the best teams in the 70s and 80s But they have not been more successful than us in past 20 years.
Spedger

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPON_...United_Kingdom

Barry and Penarth and are not part of the urban area of 1,000,097 , so you could argue it’s much bigger as both places should be

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That’s crazy, penarth is basically a suburb, there’s no real gap and it’s closer to the centre than many parts of cardiff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tynesi...ynesideBUA.png

That's a map of the Newcastle urban area , tyneside

Unless you are blind you can see the reason why Newcastle.....greater Newcastle, urban Newcastle......whatever you want to call it is far bigger in area and population than Cardiff

If you just take Newcastle, Gateshead and Wallsend you have a population bigger than Cardiff

If you want to try and pretend Barry and Pontypridd and the valleys and Newport are part of Cardiff and make a possible catchment area of 1 million people go ahead

There is no gap of green fields and countryside between Newcastle and Whitley Bay......its a continuous urban sprawl along the banks of the Tyne

It's a very heavily populated area close to one million people ....without the need of satellite towns to boost its size , unlike Cardiff

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Originally Posted by goats

That’s crazy, penarth is basically a suburb, there’s no real gap and it’s closer to the centre than many parts of cardiff.

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Penarth is about 35 thousand people . It's no Gateshead which is stuck to Newcastle like glue and has 200000 residents .

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The metropolitan population of Cardiff at 1 .1 million includes the population of Newport, 12 miles away 200 k .....Bridgend , 130 k .....18 miles away ....and much of the south wales valleys

Since when is Newport and Bridgend and Aberdare and Merthyr part of urban Cardiff ?

There is clearly a built up , continuous urban zone around Newcastle and Nottingham which makes them far bigger centres of population than Cardiff

The Cardiff urban area of around 450 k is clearly smaller than Newcastle at 823 k and Nottingham at 807 k

If you are going to use the metropolitan definition of Cardiff .....which includes 200000 people from Newport in its total ......ask them if they are from Cardiff ......then the large urban areas close to Nottingham have to be included , like Derby and Mansfield ......making Nottingham even bigger again

Metropolitan means the extent or influence of a city , the urban population is different and refers to the immediate built up areas where districts , suburbs and towns merge

Bridgend clearly isn't a part of urban Cardiff .....there are fields and meadows and cows for 18 miles between the settlements ......yet for administrative and cultural and employments it's part of if you wish .....greater Cardiff ?

But Nottingham and Newcastle have a big urban population surrounding them for several miles ....which is why they are seen as bigger cities than Cardiff even though their populations initially seem smaller

If you wander around Newcastle or Nottingham , visit the train stations , see the buildings it's obvious they serve a bigger population than Cardiff

Hope this explains things

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Crewe must be massive if you’re going by railway stations:hehe: Train stations are bugger all to go by, most main ones were built years and years ago with no room for expansion in their locations when populations have increased. You’ve more or less hit the nail on the head decrying outlying areas because they’re subjective. Therefore Newcastle is a touch larger than Sunderland but not as big as Cardiff, the population & km2 areas are there for all to see.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Crewe must be massive if you’re going by railway stations:hehe: Train stations are bugger all to go by, most main ones were built years and years ago with no room for expansion in their locations when populations have increased. You’ve more or less hit the nail on the head decrying outlying areas because they’re subjective. Therefore Newcastle is a touch larger than Sunderland but not as big as Cardiff, the population & km2 areas are there for all to see.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_urban_area

Here is a map of the Cardiff urban area

It's about half the size and half the population of the Newcastle urban area

Newcastle merges South with Gateshead and then inland along the Tyne to form a densely populated area

Cardiff could be argued to merge with penarth but certainly not pontypridd and apart from the town of Caerphilly the rest of the valleys do not join Cardiff directly

To say that what people think of as " Newcastle " is twice the size of what people think as " Cardiff " is about right

Newcastle has a big arena , a bigger city centre , more night time entertainment , a big Chinatown, its bigger in every way

I would love our city and football team to have bigger crowds , be a better team , have more music venues , etc

But it just isn't as big and progressive as Leeds , Sheffield , Nottingham , Bristol etc

Just the way it is

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_urban_area

Here is a map of the Cardiff urban area

It's about half the size and half the population of the Newcastle urban area

Newcastle merges South with Gateshead and then inland along the Tyne to form a densely populated area

Cardiff could be argued to merge with penarth but certainly not pontypridd and apart from the town of Caerphilly the rest of the valleys do not join Cardiff directly

To say that what people think of as " Newcastle " is twice the size of what people think as " Cardiff " is about right

Newcastle has a big arena , a bigger city centre , more night time entertainment , a big Chinatown, its bigger in every way

I would love our city and football team to have bigger crowds , be a better team , have more music venues , etc

But it just isn't as big and progressive as Leeds , Sheffield , Nottingham , Bristol etc

Just the way it is

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I don’t think your map is to scale :hehe:

Cardiff excels in many areas particularly sports.

Champions League finals , Olympic venues, Test Cricket , Cardiff singer of the World , European Summit , Rugby World Cup Venue , Euro championship venue 2028 superb hotels etc etc

Much better than Newcastle - it’s a backwater

It outperforms many cities in the UK

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_urban_area

Here is a map of the Cardiff urban area

It's about half the size and half the population of the Newcastle urban area

Newcastle merges South with Gateshead and then inland along the Tyne to form a densely populated area

Cardiff could be argued to merge with penarth but certainly not pontypridd and apart from the town of Caerphilly the rest of the valleys do not join Cardiff directly

To say that what people think of as " Newcastle " is twice the size of what people think as " Cardiff " is about right

Newcastle has a big arena , a bigger city centre , more night time entertainment , a big Chinatown, its bigger in every way

I would love our city and football team to have bigger crowds , be a better team , have more music venues , etc

But it just isn't as big and progressive as Leeds , Sheffield , Nottingham , Bristol etc

Just the way it is

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Cardiff is bigger than Newcastle, 140 square kilometres to 114 square kilometres, it’s as simple as that. If you’ve driven across both cities you’ll realise that, getting from the West End to just past Chillingham Rd is a breeze compared to Culverhouse Cross to St. Mellon’s. Google it Sludge, it’s all there in black and white.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I don’t think your map is to scale :hehe:

Cardiff excels in many areas particularly sports.

Champions League finals , Olympic venues, Test Cricket , Cardiff singer of the World , European Summit , Rugby World Cup Venue , Euro championship venue 2028 superb hotels etc etc

Much better than Newcastle - it’s a backwater

It outperforms many cities in the UK

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Those maps give a good idea of why greater Newcastle is twice the size of greater Cardiff

Unless you are not able to read or are blind

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Cardiff is bigger than Newcastle, 140 square kilometres to 114 square kilometres, it’s as simple as that. If you’ve driven across both cities you’ll realise that, getting from the West End to just past Chillingham Rd is a breeze compared to Culverhouse Cross to St. Mellon’s. Google it Sludge, it’s all there in black and white.

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A Swans fan of mine told me recently he was astonished how much of an urban sprawl Cardiff was compared to Swansea and how much it’s expanded in a short time

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Cardiff is bigger than Newcastle, 140 square kilometres to 114 square kilometres, it’s as simple as that. If you’ve driven across both cities you’ll realise that, getting from the West End to just past Chillingham Rd is a breeze compared to Culverhouse Cross to St. Mellon’s. Google it Sludge, it’s all there in black and white.

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I really don't want to waste any more of my time with you on this matter

If you think as a cardiffian that the place you live is bigger than geordie land you are completely deluded or on a wind up

Enjoy your evening

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

A Swans fan of mine told me recently he was astonished how much of an urban sprawl Cardiff was compared to Swansea and how much it’s expanded in a short time

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Oh well there we go then

Never mind the official statistics if some bloke from a small city in West Wales thinks Cardiff is huge we will go with that

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Oh well there we go then

Never mind the official statistics if some bloke from a small city in West Wales thinks Cardiff is huge we will go with that

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The point is Urban area as in KMS means **** all , it’s more population density

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Oh well there we go then

Never mind the official statistics if some bloke from a small city in West Wales thinks Cardiff is huge we will go with that

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Shame you couldn't produce any stats when you were talking about the Caribbean population in Cardiff, yet use them to back up what you're arguing in this thread.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I really don't want to waste any more of my time with you on this matter

If you think as a cardiffian that the place you live is bigger than geordie land you are completely deluded or on a wind up

Enjoy your evening

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I’ll chalk this one up then:thumbup::hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Shame you couldn't produce any stats when you were talking about the Caribbean population in Cardiff, yet use them to back up what you're arguing in this thread.

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Well a really good BBC podcast on Caribbean influence on music and culture suggests that your view that there isn't a significant west indian community in Cardiff is nonsense

I think you should pop down to the Butetown history and arts centre , brush up on your own city's culture

You must have spent 40 years walking around with your eyes closed

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I’ll chalk this one up then:thumbup::hehe:

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Deluded