RCT getting rid of bins, collecting black bags only from late September.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I've read it all now.....

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And what you do disagree with?

So you would run a service that may lead to a tonne of negative unintended consequences but shrug your shoulders because the cause of it was that people shouldnt have behaved that way?

You have to live in the real world - that's what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by goats

Why not fine them for not collecting them back in? Bags on streets only led to one thing….cats, seagulls, rats will rip them up. Just look at Cathays where bin bags get left on streets regularly as students are too stupid to sort their recycling out properly and too many live in each house anyway so not enough bin space.

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Sure it has been said more than once, but STORE THEM IN THE BIN OUT YOUR BACK AND CARRY THEM OUT THE MORNING OF COLLECTION I CANT SEE MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR RATS AND BIRDS TO BIN DIVE ESPECIALLY IF PEOPLE RECYCLE PROPERLY AND USE THE FOOD BINS FOR FOOD WASTE

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Originally Posted by Dembe

Sure it has been said more than once, but STORE THEM IN THE BIN OUT YOUR BACK AND CARRY THEM OUT THE MORNING OF COLLECTION I CANT SEE MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR RATS AND BIRDS TO BIN DIVE ESPECIALLY IF PEOPLE RECYCLE PROPERLY AND USE THE FOOD BINS FOR FOOD WASTE

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I can’t speak for the valleys but the crows and seagulls are on it, evil mo foes…..plus the council are so shit your bags could easily be out allday some days despite them telling you it’s 7am. Mine are often gone by then, food waste 6.30 am and if that’s not locked properly it will get knocked over and feasted on….

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Originally Posted by goats

I can’t speak for the valleys but the crows and seagulls are on it, evil mo foes…..plus the council are so shit your bags could easily be out allday some days despite them telling you it’s 7am. Mine are often gone by then, food waste 6.30 am and if that’s not locked properly it will get knocked over and feasted on….

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They're pretty good where I'm from, not exactly like you can set your watch to it but they're always gone before 9.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

From what I've read, in some narrow streets, having wheelie bins outside can cause problems for people trying to navigate pavements. That's particularly awkward for prams, disabled people. I can't see how using bin bags will make that any better.

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I can see a massive downside to going back to black bags, some of Barry had wheelie bins and some didnt, I believe from speaking to my mum they stopped them a while back, when I go upto my mums I see Black bags outside, ask my mum " is it bin day tomorrow mum " no its Thursday, so these people have put out bin bags 2 days before :shrug: guess what, the Guls and Rats attack them

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Originally Posted by Dembe

I am about to take the dog for a walk, I'll walk to the top of the street and then down the hill, on my way down, between two terraced streets is an alleyway between the two streets. People wheel their bins to the top Thursday evening, they don't take them back down once the council have done their collection though..they block the pavement. I threw 3 of them back down the alley a few weeks ago, this was after a few times of nicely moving them into the alley to stop the pavement from being blocked for people walking. It is a busy route people use for school and the local shop. There are about 6/7 bins that just congregate at then top of the alley.

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that's just people needing to be educated, if that doesnt work, then fine them

Maybe the council needs to designate a area for the wheelie bins, I know in Bristol, a few roads have a Giant Planter on one side of the road ( also lets people know they can only park that side of the road, the other side is double yellows, which in turn means emergency vehicles can get down every road ) , its a bit of community joy, nicely planted up with flowers, maybe a area next to something like that to put them the night before bin day, then they get 24 hours to remove them again

we moved away from bin bags because it didnt work, from my eyes it looks like a backwards step

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Originally Posted by goats

Why not fine them for not collecting them back in? Bags on streets only led to one thing….cats, seagulls, rats will rip them up. Just look at Cathays where bin bags get left on streets regularly as students are too stupid to sort their recycling out properly and too many live in each house anyway so not enough bin space.

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I watched a Youtube Video last night, some urban explorer did a video on the roughest areas of Cardiff, Cathays had the highest crime rate, he walked around it, I know its HMO's and students, but it really was like a 3rd world country, he was wading through rubbish on the streets, white goods just dumped, beds, mattresses, I remember Cathays being run down from when I was younger and we would pop to Miss Milies for something to eat after clubbing, you had to avoid the rats down the side streets eating the left over chicken and various kebabs, but it was never as bad as the vid I watched last night

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Just stumbled across this on the alternative, the state of some of the streets in Cardiff with rubbish, and beds, fridges everything, what the hell is the matter with some people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUmMKfTn_Dk

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I watched that last night, came on after a Bald and Bankrupt Video

a Rather Sad Watch to be honest

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I can see a massive downside to going back to black bags, some of Barry had wheelie bins and some didnt, I believe from speaking to my mum they stopped them a while back, when I go upto my mums I see Black bags outside, ask my mum " is it bin day tomorrow mum " no its Thursday, so these people have put out bin bags 2 days before :shrug: guess what, the Guls and Rats attack them




that's just people needing to be educated, if that doesnt work, then fine them

Maybe the council needs to designate a area for the wheelie bins, I know in Bristol, a few roads have a Giant Planter on one side of the road ( also lets people know they can only park that side of the road, the other side is double yellows, which in turn means emergency vehicles can get down every road ) , its a bit of community joy, nicely planted up with flowers, maybe a area next to something like that to put them the night before bin day, then they get 24 hours to remove them again

we moved away from bin bags because it didnt work, from my eyes it looks like a backwards step

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Works up the Rhondda?

Instead Would getting rid of RCT solve the bins problem ?, asking for a friend

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Originally Posted by pipster

Instead Would getting rid of RCT solve the bins problem ?, asking for a friend

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Have one big happy Cardiff Council family?

Well I was quietly getting grumpy about the prospect, seems to have distracted all people on Facebook complaining about the eisteddfod to complain about bins instead anyway. Even one comment I saw “they’ll expect us to throw toilet waste from the windows next”
Reading the comments on here has changed my mind and I’m back to not caring again, good to get some balance

Yep, you could save hundreds of millions of pounds if welsh councils merged and centralised systems.

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Originally Posted by pipster

Yep, you could save hundreds of millions of pounds if welsh councils merged and centralised systems.

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I think that's good in theory, but one good thing (for me at least) about our local authorities is that it puts council control in the hands of more local people who, should at least, have more of an idea of what their local communities need. Imagine a large South Wales council (say like the old Glamorgan). What do locals in Cardiff know about the top of the valleys and vice versa? It's also why I'm an advocate of devolution, decisions about Wales mainly happen in Wales by people who live in Wales. Westminster knows feck all about what Wales needs. I'd be saying that regardless of which party is in power. I'd rather be ruled by Tories in Wales (if that happened) than by Tories in Westminster.

It is noticeable that most criticisms of council decisions in Wales comes from those who would vote Tory or Reform - it's an anti-Labour thing - if Labour thought this up then it must be a bad idea. That happens in reverse as well, though I will look at Tory and Reform ideas and dismiss them if I think they're nonsense, not just because of where they originated.

People forget that it's the public who vote for local councillors. Good councillors get re-elected if they've been good enough at their job and I think candidates are as strong as parties. Voting percentages are always crap for local elections, so I find it amusing that people moan about councils without even voting in council elections.

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

Well I was quietly getting grumpy about the prospect, seems to have distracted all people on Facebook complaining about the eisteddfod to complain about bins instead anyway. Even one comment I saw “they’ll expect us to throw toilet waste from the windows next”
Reading the comments on here has changed my mind and I’m back to not caring again, good to get some balance

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Those people complaining about the Eisteddfod are probably the same ones who complain that nothing ever happens in Pontypridd.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I can see a massive downside to going back to black bags, some of Barry had wheelie bins and some didnt, I believe from speaking to my mum they stopped them a while back, when I go upto my mums I see Black bags outside, ask my mum " is it bin day tomorrow mum " no its Thursday, so these people have put out bin bags 2 days before :shrug: guess what, the Guls and Rats attack them




that's just people needing to be educated, if that doesnt work, then fine them

Maybe the council needs to designate a area for the wheelie bins, I know in Bristol, a few roads have a Giant Planter on one side of the road ( also lets people know they can only park that side of the road, the other side is double yellows, which in turn means emergency vehicles can get down every road ) , its a bit of community joy, nicely planted up with flowers, maybe a area next to something like that to put them the night before bin day, then they get 24 hours to remove them again

we moved away from bin bags because it didnt work, from my eyes it looks like a backwards step

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They will probably only take 2 or 3 black bags per house also, what happens then is people take their bags out late at night and dump any extra down the road a bit in someone else’s doorstep. Bin men leave them, as taken allocated amount, then they get torn apart….

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

Those people complaining about the Eisteddfod are probably the same ones who complain that nothing ever happens in Pontypridd.

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They are. And people moaning about the park shutting are on the whole people I know don’t go down there.
It’ll still be a massive pain in the arse for a week mind

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I think that's good in theory, but one good thing (for me at least) about our local authorities is that it puts council control in the hands of more local people who, should at least, have more of an idea of what their local communities need. Imagine a large South Wales council (say like the old Glamorgan). What do locals in Cardiff know about the top of the valleys and vice versa? It's also why I'm an advocate of devolution, decisions about Wales mainly happen in Wales by people who live in Wales. Westminster knows feck all about what Wales needs. I'd be saying that regardless of which party is in power. I'd rather be ruled by Tories in Wales (if that happened) than by Tories in Westminster.

It is noticeable that most criticisms of council decisions in Wales comes from those who would vote Tory or Reform - it's an anti-Labour thing - if Labour thought this up then it must be a bad idea. That happens in reverse as well, though I will look at Tory and Reform ideas and dismiss them if I think they're nonsense, not just because of where they originated.

People forget that it's the public who vote for local councillors. Good councillors get re-elected if they've been good enough at their job and I think candidates are as strong as parties. Voting percentages are always crap for local elections, so I find it amusing that people moan about councils without even voting in council elections.

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You are right about a benefit of so many local authorities being that you generally will get more localised councillors. That is surely true and no bad thing.

On balance though, I don't think we have it right in Wales. 22 Local Authorities is a pretty insane number per capita and we could merge several (blaenau Gwent and Torfaen, Merthyr with Caerphilly etc) and get down to perhaps 15 or so I think it would help. There is a lot of duplication of resources.

To compensate, I am a big fan of community councils, who have often tiny budgets but are rooted in communities in terms of events and information and low level maintenance. I would gladly see more of them and a consolidation of local authorities.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You are right about a benefit of so many local authorities being that you generally will get more localised councillors. That is surely true and no bad thing.

On balance though, I don't think we have it right in Wales. 22 Local Authorities is a pretty insane number per capita and we could merge several (blaenau Gwent and Torfaen, Merthyr with Caerphilly etc) and get down to perhaps 15 or so I think it would help. There is a lot of duplication of resources.

To compensate, I am a big fan of community councils, who have often tiny budgets but are rooted in communities in terms of events and information and low level maintenance. I would gladly see more of them and a consolidation of local authorities.

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Agree with all of that.

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

They are. And people moaning about the park shutting are on the whole people I know don’t go down there.
It’ll still be a massive pain in the arse for a week mind

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Do people still use Facebook to moan about Builders and other tradesmen?

Talking to my youngest sons partner she reckons they made a massive cock up when ordering the new fleet of trucks which can't pick up the wheelie bins at all.