My ex-boss once told me that the definition of a consultant is “someone who borrows your watch to tell you what time it is and charges you a fortune to do it”Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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My ex-boss once told me that the definition of a consultant is “someone who borrows your watch to tell you what time it is and charges you a fortune to do it”Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Slade whilst obviously a shit manager, probably isn’t as thick when it comes to other parts of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Think he’s made a fortune off player data and analysis so may actually be useful in terms of manager selection.
This could be bollocks but I don’t think it’s a dreadful consultation
Some consultants can be incredibly astute if they listen to those with experience and expertise in an organisation in the first place and perhaps tweak things accordingly, having had a wider experience in certain areas themselves. Unfortunately, at City there is little expertise available and there is always the risk of employing consultants who make decisions on insufficient information, see things far too simplistically and who have little interest in the consequence of their actions. Unfortunately......'I've 'been there'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
Whomever eventually gets appointed will immediately know that his new boss wasn't the one who actually employed him. The consultants or committee did.
Right from the off, they'll have to start building that relationship knowing what has gone before. The consultants have done their job in recommending someone (or a few) and buggered off with their fees. At least if the club had its own Director of Football, they would remaining position and remain somewhat accountable. You won't get that from a third party.
Good post!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
My limited experience tells me your ex boss was correct most of the time - went on plenty of “away days” in work to be told what we knew already. However, in this instance they would be talking to people who have proved over a long period that they don’t get running a medium to big sized football club in the 21sr century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
I’d be fairly happy if Slade was one of the former managers involved apart from a feeling I have that, based on his time in the job, he would pay little or no attention to youth development when assessing any potential new manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
If the position of director of football was ever created here, would Slade be a decent candidate? Seems to be involved in the football scene, been at the club before and, looking back, did ok in the usual chaotic circumstances.
Would make some sense if Tan’s reluctance stems from the fact he feels he wouldn’t be able to trust someone who came from “outside” in the role - Slade could hardly be accused of wasting Tans money when he was manager because he was given little of it to spend - signing Zohore while he was here must mean that he operated at a profit in the transfer market.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
People have mentioned Warnock and Slade as the former managers advising on recruiting the new manager, but it says "two very experienced former and unnamed football managers. " It doesn't say former City managers.
Probably Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger.
Chokes on Alpen 😆Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
You would have thought we’d stop listening to Fergie after his Andrea Ferretti recommendation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Russel Slade was a good guy
I would rather have him as a director of football than some soppy ponce in a suit
They don't have a plan in placeQuote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Other than those he's appointed to the role, and those who didnt get passed the interview stage, how many other managers does Tan actually know?Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
Maybe he used consultants to help him choose his consultants.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
This translates as they are desperate riza gets a win or a draw so they can give it to him as they have no idea.
I know hearts are using an algorithm to pick their next manager. I'd rather that.
ChatGPT would be better than Ken Choo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
Or a list of managers who've bought a car from HR OwenQuote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
I just asked it "Who is the best candidate to become the next Cardiff city FC football manager?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole
and it answered
"Determining the best candidate for Cardiff City FC's next manager depends on various factors, including the team's needs, budget, and desired style of play. Some potential candidates could include:
Roberto Martinez - A former Cardiff player with a strong managerial resume.
Neil Warnock - Experienced in the Championship and has a successful history with the club.
Michael Flynn - A former manager at Newport County with local knowledge and experience.
Ultimately, the best fit would depend on their ability to connect with the squad and implement an effective strategy."
That could work!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
I asked and got a very different list. Data is at least a year out of date but at least a few of the names are in the current odds, Wayne Rooney actually looking decent :hehe:
The decision on who should be the next Cardiff City manager depends on several factors, including the club's ambitions, playing style, and the current state of the squad. Here are a few potential candidates, each bringing different strengths:
1. Chris Wilder
Pros: Former Sheffield United manager, known for leading the club from League One to the Premier League. He's tactically astute, especially with a back three system, and has shown ability to maximize the potential of limited squads.
Cons: His recent spell at Watford wasn’t particularly successful, raising some concerns about whether his methods remain as effective.
2. Nathan Jones
Pros: Former Luton Town manager who took them from League Two to the Championship, known for high-energy, attacking football. He has a strong reputation in the lower leagues and could help Cardiff rebuild.
Cons: His stint at Southampton was underwhelming, which might cause some doubt about his ability to handle higher levels of competition.
3. Steven Schumacher
Pros: Currently managing Plymouth Argyle and has them playing impressive football in League One. Schumacher is an up-and-coming coach with a reputation for tactical innovation.
Cons: Lack of experience at the Championship level could be a risk if Cardiff are seeking immediate promotion or stability.
4. Neil Warnock (Return)
Pros: Warnock is a fan favorite in Cardiff, having previously taken them to the Premier League. He has extensive experience in the Championship and knows how to get teams promoted.
Cons: At 75, Warnock might only be a short-term solution, and his style of play can be divisive among fans who may want a more modern approach.
5. Carlos Corberán
Pros: The West Brom manager and former Huddersfield Town coach has worked under Marcelo Bielsa and brings a dynamic, high-pressing style. His coaching pedigree could bring a modern, tactical edge to Cardiff.
Cons: He’s currently employed and may be difficult to lure away without significant investment or ambition from the Cardiff board.
6. Lee Bowyer
Pros: Bowyer has had a decent track record in the Championship with Charlton Athletic and Birmingham City. He has experience working with clubs under financial pressure, which could be beneficial for Cardiff.
Cons: His managerial career has been inconsistent, and there are concerns about his ability to achieve sustained success.
7. Wayne Rooney
Pros: Rooney showed potential as a manager at Derby County, where he dealt with a very difficult financial situation but still managed to keep the squad competitive.
Cons: His lack of experience and mixed results at Derby might raise questions about whether he can succeed at Cardiff.
The right choice will depend on Cardiff’s goals — whether they are looking for a short-term fix to stay competitive in the Championship or a long-term project to return to the Premier League. A mix of experience and fresh ideas might be ideal, but it will also depend on how much support the new manager gets in terms of transfers and club resources.
Wasn't Russell Slade recommended by Glen Roeder?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Something of note from this meeting that didn't real seem to get commented on:
"Ken Choo also explained how the Recruitment Team had been increased to 4 and said they are now utilising several software applications to assist with player recruitment and analysis. This capability is regarded as key in moving the club forward."
It would be interesting to know exactly who makes the decisions with regard to signings these days. Is it:
1) The recruitment team and the board?
2) The recruitment team and the manager?
3) The recruitment team, the manager and the board?
I've always believed the team's manager should have ultimate responsibility for any signings, but maybe the club is now signing players without any direct involvement from the manager?
I love a bit of satire on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I'm sure that EB referred to Simic as a club signing, which suggests to me that he was either not in favour or not consulted.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Some good replies on the last page.
Yes, they have been clueless and got most appointments very wrong, but they have made some season-saving Manager mid-season appointments like Lamouchi, McCarthy, and Warnock, and a big mistake that almost cost us with Hudson.
I think they've learned enough in that time to avoid a Hudson, Freyr/Purse/Riza type or appointment, and the fact they have some experienced advisers has got to be a good thing and reduce the risk of another disaster.
Hopefully, they will advise a back-to-basics safety first type like Mowbrey/Jones/Rowett, or maybe a more risky up-and-coming like Shumacker/Lowe type, personally in the position we are in I think it will more likely be an older more experienced type Manager.
If we lose tonight I think it would bring the decision forward and we will see an appointment within a week. They stand to lose a fortune and shouldn't be messing about at a time like this.
If they are looking at win percentages Jones, Shumacker and Valérien Ismaël are said to be pretty good, although I haven't checked?
They're nearly all club signings. Although the two that are definitely Bulut's (Goutas and Siopis) aren't exactly a ringing endorsement of his scouting capabilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by NottinghamBlue
The Dramatis Personae of Cardiff City is usually listed in the programme so I looked at page 3 of the Sunderland programme where loads of people are mentioned but not a Head of Recruitment. Not important enough to get a mention then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The excuse that will now be given to the gullible media is “software error”.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I agree with your sentiments regarding the manager being the one who, surely, must agree to any purchase.
So if it's now four it couldn't have previously consisted of Tan, Choo, Dalman and the Manager. Maybe the process used to be the Manager, Choo and Dalman selected someone and Tan said yes or no and now he's getting more involved in the selection process as they kept sending shit his way for approval.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
This should be welcomed by all that ask for a director of football (which people think is a clubs holy grail)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
What should be welcomed?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
You're thinking of the so-called transfer committee. Different thing and now defunct.Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
I think a DOF is essential, I can’t speak on behalf of anyone else who ask about it, but for me a DOFQuote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Would establish a pattern of play or playing style from Academy level to first team
He would have a major influence on the type of coaching staff we go after including head coach/Manager when one moves on.
Having identified the right person for the role, the succession plan should be easier as that target is already defined.
Player recruitment should be around players who can play that preferred system and about their general character scouts would have a template on the type of player we need for that position
We currently lurch from crisis to crisis, we employed a manager who’s style of football bored the pants of everyone and their seemingly was little appetite from the playing staff to buy into it
For the interim period we now have a coach who says he’s more attack minded, wether that’s the case or not, it’s the complete opposite of Buluts style
The one thing that I can’t get my head around with Tan, is that he runs some very successful businesses, yet when it comes to the football club all commercial sense goes out of the window
We need 3 appointments in my view
An experienced football CEO based here whose full time job is to carry out the day to day business of the club
A DOF
Manager
The cost of this is nothing, compared to the amount of money that has been spent and lost since he took over!
Your mate, you were calling people negative Nigels a few weeks ago :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Hill