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    Probably Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Probably Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger.
    Chokes on Alpen 😆

  3. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Probably Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger.
    You would have thought we’d stop listening to Fergie after his Andrea Ferretti recommendation.

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    Re: Trust meeting with Dalman and Choo

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Probably Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger.
    😄

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    Russel Slade was a good guy

    I would rather have him as a director of football than some soppy ponce in a suit

  6. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    What would you say if they didn't have a plan in place?
    They don't have a plan in place

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardM View Post
    People have mentioned Warnock and Slade as the former managers advising on recruiting the new manager, but it says "two very experienced former and unnamed football managers. " It doesn't say former City managers.
    Other than those he's appointed to the role, and those who didnt get passed the interview stage, how many other managers does Tan actually know?

  8. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    Other than those he's appointed to the role, and those who didnt get passed the interview stage, how many other managers does Tan actually know?
    Maybe he used consultants to help him choose his consultants.

  9. #59

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    This translates as they are desperate riza gets a win or a draw so they can give it to him as they have no idea.

  10. #60

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    I know hearts are using an algorithm to pick their next manager. I'd rather that.

  11. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Dougal View Post
    I know hearts are using an algorithm to pick their next manager. I'd rather that.
    ChatGPT would be better than Ken Choo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
    Maybe he used consultants to help him choose his consultants.
    Or a list of managers who've bought a car from HR Owen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole View Post
    ChatGPT would be better than Ken Choo.
    I just asked it "Who is the best candidate to become the next Cardiff city FC football manager?"

    and it answered

    "Determining the best candidate for Cardiff City FC's next manager depends on various factors, including the team's needs, budget, and desired style of play. Some potential candidates could include:

    Roberto Martinez - A former Cardiff player with a strong managerial resume.
    Neil Warnock - Experienced in the Championship and has a successful history with the club.
    Michael Flynn - A former manager at Newport County with local knowledge and experience.

    Ultimately, the best fit would depend on their ability to connect with the squad and implement an effective strategy."

  14. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    Or a list of managers who've bought a car from HR Owen
    That could work!

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    I asked and got a very different list. Data is at least a year out of date but at least a few of the names are in the current odds, Wayne Rooney actually looking decent

    The decision on who should be the next Cardiff City manager depends on several factors, including the club's ambitions, playing style, and the current state of the squad. Here are a few potential candidates, each bringing different strengths:

    1. Chris Wilder
    Pros: Former Sheffield United manager, known for leading the club from League One to the Premier League. He's tactically astute, especially with a back three system, and has shown ability to maximize the potential of limited squads.
    Cons: His recent spell at Watford wasn’t particularly successful, raising some concerns about whether his methods remain as effective.
    2. Nathan Jones
    Pros: Former Luton Town manager who took them from League Two to the Championship, known for high-energy, attacking football. He has a strong reputation in the lower leagues and could help Cardiff rebuild.
    Cons: His stint at Southampton was underwhelming, which might cause some doubt about his ability to handle higher levels of competition.
    3. Steven Schumacher
    Pros: Currently managing Plymouth Argyle and has them playing impressive football in League One. Schumacher is an up-and-coming coach with a reputation for tactical innovation.
    Cons: Lack of experience at the Championship level could be a risk if Cardiff are seeking immediate promotion or stability.
    4. Neil Warnock (Return)
    Pros: Warnock is a fan favorite in Cardiff, having previously taken them to the Premier League. He has extensive experience in the Championship and knows how to get teams promoted.
    Cons: At 75, Warnock might only be a short-term solution, and his style of play can be divisive among fans who may want a more modern approach.
    5. Carlos Corberán
    Pros: The West Brom manager and former Huddersfield Town coach has worked under Marcelo Bielsa and brings a dynamic, high-pressing style. His coaching pedigree could bring a modern, tactical edge to Cardiff.
    Cons: He’s currently employed and may be difficult to lure away without significant investment or ambition from the Cardiff board.
    6. Lee Bowyer
    Pros: Bowyer has had a decent track record in the Championship with Charlton Athletic and Birmingham City. He has experience working with clubs under financial pressure, which could be beneficial for Cardiff.
    Cons: His managerial career has been inconsistent, and there are concerns about his ability to achieve sustained success.
    7. Wayne Rooney
    Pros: Rooney showed potential as a manager at Derby County, where he dealt with a very difficult financial situation but still managed to keep the squad competitive.
    Cons: His lack of experience and mixed results at Derby might raise questions about whether he can succeed at Cardiff.
    The right choice will depend on Cardiff’s goals — whether they are looking for a short-term fix to stay competitive in the Championship or a long-term project to return to the Premier League. A mix of experience and fresh ideas might be ideal, but it will also depend on how much support the new manager gets in terms of transfers and club resources.

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    Re: Trust meeting with Dalman and Choo

    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    Other than those he's appointed to the role, and those who didnt get passed the interview stage, how many other managers does Tan actually know?
    Wasn't Russell Slade recommended by Glen Roeder?

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    Something of note from this meeting that didn't real seem to get commented on:

    "Ken Choo also explained how the Recruitment Team had been increased to 4 and said they are now utilising several software applications to assist with player recruitment and analysis. This capability is regarded as key in moving the club forward."

    It would be interesting to know exactly who makes the decisions with regard to signings these days. Is it:

    1) The recruitment team and the board?

    2) The recruitment team and the manager?

    3) The recruitment team, the manager and the board?

    I've always believed the team's manager should have ultimate responsibility for any signings, but maybe the club is now signing players without any direct involvement from the manager?

  18. #68

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    He won't will he, this time he will use professionals and he will take their advice.

    If the professionals are as described it should work and it sounds like we could get a half-decent one this time.
    I love a bit of satire on this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I've always believed the team's manager should have ultimate responsibility for any signings, but maybe the club is now signing players without any direct involvement from the manager?
    I'm sure that EB referred to Simic as a club signing, which suggests to me that he was either not in favour or not consulted.

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    Some good replies on the last page.

    Yes, they have been clueless and got most appointments very wrong, but they have made some season-saving Manager mid-season appointments like Lamouchi, McCarthy, and Warnock, and a big mistake that almost cost us with Hudson.

    I think they've learned enough in that time to avoid a Hudson, Freyr/Purse/Riza type or appointment, and the fact they have some experienced advisers has got to be a good thing and reduce the risk of another disaster.

    Hopefully, they will advise a back-to-basics safety first type like Mowbrey/Jones/Rowett, or maybe a more risky up-and-coming like Shumacker/Lowe type, personally in the position we are in I think it will more likely be an older more experienced type Manager.

    If we lose tonight I think it would bring the decision forward and we will see an appointment within a week. They stand to lose a fortune and shouldn't be messing about at a time like this.

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    If they are looking at win percentages Jones, Shumacker and Valérien Ismaël are said to be pretty good, although I haven't checked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NottinghamBlue View Post
    I'm sure that EB referred to Simic as a club signing, which suggests to me that he was either not in favour or not consulted.
    They're nearly all club signings. Although the two that are definitely Bulut's (Goutas and Siopis) aren't exactly a ringing endorsement of his scouting capabilities.

  23. #73

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Something of note from this meeting that didn't real seem to get commented on:

    "Ken Choo also explained how the Recruitment Team had been increased to 4 and said they are now utilising several software applications to assist with player recruitment and analysis. This capability is regarded as key in moving the club forward."

    It would be interesting to know exactly who makes the decisions with regard to signings these days. Is it:

    1) The recruitment team and the board?

    2) The recruitment team and the manager?

    3) The recruitment team, the manager and the board?

    I've always believed the team's manager should have ultimate responsibility for any signings, but maybe the club is now signing players without any direct involvement from the manager?
    The Dramatis Personae of Cardiff City is usually listed in the programme so I looked at page 3 of the Sunderland programme where loads of people are mentioned but not a Head of Recruitment. Not important enough to get a mention then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    It would be interesting to know exactly who makes the decisions with regard to signings these days.
    The excuse that will now be given to the gullible media is “software error”.

    I agree with your sentiments regarding the manager being the one who, surely, must agree to any purchase.

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    Re: Trust meeting with Dalman and Choo

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Something of note from this meeting that didn't real seem to get commented on:

    "Ken Choo also explained how the Recruitment Team had been increased to 4 and said they are now utilising several software applications to assist with player recruitment and analysis. This capability is regarded as key in moving the club forward."

    It would be interesting to know exactly who makes the decisions with regard to signings these days. Is it:

    1) The recruitment team and the board?

    2) The recruitment team and the manager?

    3) The recruitment team, the manager and the board?

    I've always believed the team's manager should have ultimate responsibility for any signings, but maybe the club is now signing players without any direct involvement from the manager?
    So if it's now four it couldn't have previously consisted of Tan, Choo, Dalman and the Manager. Maybe the process used to be the Manager, Choo and Dalman selected someone and Tan said yes or no and now he's getting more involved in the selection process as they kept sending shit his way for approval.

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