Haha very trueQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
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Haha very trueQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Average amount of players representing each nation on tour since 1966:Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
England 11.9
Wales 11
Ireland 8.1
Scotland 5.7
Amount of tours captained by English players - 4
Amount of tours captained by Welsh or Irish players - 5
Amount of tours captained by Scottish players - 3
"I rest my case" Jesus I'd love to come up against you in a courtroom if you were a lawyer :hehe:
Previous tours are irrelevant. I was referring to this tour. With Andy Farrell in charge the test side will no doubt be dominated by English players. Each to their own, but I can’t stand the England Rugby Union team and its set up, I think they are an arrogant bunch of tossers, their supporters even more so having come into contact with them through work a couple of times recently, and so have no desire to watch a Lions tour dominated by its players and head coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
You were referring to this tour of which the majority of the players are Irish when you described it as "England with a small token gesture of the other nations"? Come on now. Time will tell whether it'll be a test team dominated by England but as Andy Farrell has been the head coach of the (very successful) Irish team for the past 6 years I suspect it'll be a majority of his Irish players, just like the squad is.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Jesus wept. The OP said the game against Argentina was on and asked if anyone else was interested. So my reply of “No thanks” because it was “England with a small token gesture of the rest the nations” was pretty accurate considering 60% of the starting XV were from England and 40% from the other 3 countries put together. And I am aware some of the Irish players were involved in big games the week before but the point still stands for the Argentina game. Time will tell on the test sides v the Aussies but I don’t think I’ll be far wrong on my assertion that the test side will be dominated by the English. There will certainly be very little room for any Welsh or Scottish players in the test side.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Delmbeth, I know TLG is on a self imposed sabbatical and Eric has flounced, but this is not your time to be crowned King of the CCMB Pedants. They are on a different pedantry level when it comes to scoring meaningless internet points. Leave it go butty.
It’s you who should give it a rest in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
You are way out of your depth and just posting drivel. You’d be better off wandering up to the Sunday bingo and waiting for your Mum.
Here she comes. My very own Barry George with his terrible jokes and fishing for a nibble.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
You’re trying way too hard, like a BTEC Andy Goldstein.
Very own Barry George. That did make me laugh 😂
You have to admit you’ve been talking nonsense in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Well, wish I hadn't mentioned it :hehe:
Oh I see, if you just meant Argentina then fair enough :hehe: well at least we all learnt some lions history are on the way. Also 40% is probably more than a small token gesture, some would describe it as almost half, but yeah let's leave it there because life's too short.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Also I reckon there'll be more Irish than English in the first test team and I'll be straight back bumping the life out of this thread when that occurs :thumbup:
Please do. The absolute truth is I only posted my initial post to get a childish nibble off Willy, as he gets very precious every six nations about football fans slagging off the rugby, and although you took the bait first he didn’t disappoint in the end. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Plus, I’ll be totally honest, it was game over for me on trying to appear serious when you pointed out Andy Farrell has been in charge of Ireland for 6 years. I thought he was the England coach.:hehe:
Anyway, I’ll stop detailing the thread now and let the posters who do want to talk about Lions get on with it. Plenty of other threads for me and Barry to have a sparring session whilst he thinks of many more terrible Valleys jokes.
I KNEW IT :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
:hehe: :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Why the difference between England rugby and football?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I've seen a few people do that, never really understood it
Brilliant performance this morning. Still room for improvement but a challenge thrown down.
Still a lot of work to do as it was quite bitty in places. Biggest worry was the injury to Tomos Williams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Underhill1980
yeah didn't look too good did itQuote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Never understood people who hate england rugby and football but support the cricket team. 'Oh they represent us', technically yes but they do everything in their power to disassociate themselves from our nation, not even a token leek on the badge. The team is never presented as 'England and Wales' and the ECB would have it seen to that they are if they were proud to represent Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
About as disrespectful as it gets considering they 'represent Wales'
And then there was one.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Yeah I'm one of those people and I have no defence, I know it makes no sense, it's just different in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Never really understood anyone who 'supports' England (at anything). Just can't see how anyone can identify with them, granted if you have English parents etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
I'm not one of these dribbling tools who is rabidly anti English either. They're our closest neighbours, some think there's a sporting rivalry but in reality I doubt they give us a second thought.
Sports wise and especially football I'm at best ambivalent towards how they do even though the last two European Championships have provided a wry smile by failing to win them. That said, I don't mind their players, it's more the media and some of the fuuckwits that support them I like to see them continue to go so close but no cigar.
Who is there that a Welsh cricketer can play internationals for if not England?Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
If other countries are anything like England, I assume all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Agree with all of this, though having lived in London for the last 5 years I have thoroughly enjoyed their final defeats. It's not even the usual naughty football fans who are irritating rather the hooray henry's in Clapham etc who are just about the most insufferable sporting demographic on the planet, so seeing them disappointed is a massive bonus. Hope they lose in the final next year, will make for a truly wonderful day out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
:shrug:??Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
I totally disagree with you. Historically England has been represented by players from all over the UK and at times been captained by non-Englishmen. Mike Denness of Scotland and Tony Lewis of Wales spring to mind. If Wales produced high calibre players, it's unlikely they would be overlooked by England, especially as they've had South Africans and New Zealanders play for them. Over recent years there have been test matches played in Cardiff, so it's not as if the principality is being ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
The English football and rugby teams are a different kettle of fish however. Two more arrogant international teams it is difficult to imagine. And don't get me started on the English media !
I would also like to say that my "support" of the England cricket team involves keeping an eye on the Ashes and low key hoping they win themQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
The last every European championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Shame about the injury. It now means that there will be no Welshman in the test team as Jac Morgan is nowhere near good enough
I’m not aware of any Welsh player who was good enough to turn down a chance to play for the England cricket team on what I’ll call political grounds who has actually done so. Where else could they go that is considered more the team they should be representing than the one under the auspices of the England and Wales Cricket Board? I agree that the fact that Wales is represented by what is called the ECB is insulting and arrogant -it should be changed, but that doesn’t change the fact that if a Welsh player good enough to play for England opts not to do so because he wants to play for Wales, he has to do so for a side that plays on a part time basis at a level below county cricket. The Wales minor counties cricket side is the highest level you can play internationals for if you’re determined to play for that country - you could play for Glamorgan, but, either way, you’re going to be playing English teams under the auspices of the ECB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
I agree with you that football and rugby are a different kettle of fish to cricket.
And completely written off by Farrell after the Argentina game if you listen to his post match comments. Whilst he didn’t name him - he might as well of. So with Tomas potentially out of tour my little interest has become no interest. Listening to Farrells ridiculous comments on Hansen post game today, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is 13 Irish plus itoje and fin Russell come the 1st test. Farce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grangenders
I'm not sure it comes even remotely to being a "farce" if said players are deemed to be the best available. That's how matches and tests get won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Worcester
We’ll see. But if that’s what happens then it would be a farce - Imho - when there are better Scottish and English options - imho!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Well it all comes down to the expertise of the manager and none are perfect of course. However, the manager's decision is what matters and of course all of us armchair supporters can be accused of bias, ignorance and a lot more besides. As it happens the only grouch I've got with this test series is that Australia is so far down the rankings at the moment. I would have preferred NZ or SA this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Worcester
England have had players from Barbados, Ireland, South Africa, Scotland, New Zealand and presumably a plethora of other nations play for them, oh sorry, and Welsh players.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
If they can do it, I assume other nations can.
Ergo, there is more than just the England team for Welsh players. Does that clear it up?
To be honest, good on you if you support England at cricket, nothing wrong with it - it's only sport. Just accept you are a massive ****ing hypocrite when cheer against them at any other sport.
No, it doesn’t and won’t do until you produce a list of test quality Welsh players who turned down England to play for someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Wales?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I read once one of the biggest obstacles to developing a Wales national team is Glamorgan’s opposition and a number of commercial/political reasons involving Welsh government and Cardiff City council.
It may have been a rabid Welsh nationalist article though so I know I questioned the latter.
Glamorgan have been vocal in the past about its opposition.