British Lions

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Jesus wept. The OP said the game against Argentina was on and asked if anyone else was interested. So my reply of “No thanks” because it was “England with a small token gesture of the rest the nations” was pretty accurate considering 60% of the starting XV were from England and 40% from the other 3 countries put together. And I am aware some of the Irish players were involved in big games the week before but the point still stands for the Argentina game. Time will tell on the test sides v the Aussies but I don’t think I’ll be far wrong on my assertion that the test side will be dominated by the English. There will certainly be very little room for any Welsh or Scottish players in the test side.

Delmbeth, I know TLG is on a self imposed sabbatical and Eric has flounced, but this is not your time to be crowned King of the CCMB Pedants. They are on a different pedantry level when it comes to scoring meaningless internet points. Leave it go butty.

Oh I see, if you just meant Argentina then fair enough well at least we all learnt some lions history are on the way. Also 40% is probably more than a small token gesture, some would describe it as almost half, but yeah let's leave it there because life's too short.

Also I reckon there'll be more Irish than English in the first test team and I'll be straight back bumping the life out of this thread when that occurs

[J R Hartley]

Oh I see, if you just meant Argentina then fair enough well at least we all learnt some lions history are on the way. Also 40% is probably more than a small token gesture, some would describe it as almost half, but yeah let's leave it there because life's too short.

Also I reckon there'll be more Irish than English in the first test team and I'll be straight back bumping the life out of this thread when that occurs

Please do. The absolute truth is I only posted my initial post to get a childish nibble off Willy, as he gets very precious every six nations about football fans slagging off the rugby, and although you took the bait first he didn’t disappoint in the end.

Plus, I’ll be totally honest, it was game over for me on trying to appear serious when you pointed out Andy Farrell has been in charge of Ireland for 6 years. I thought he was the England coach.

Anyway, I’ll stop detailing the thread now and let the posters who do want to talk about Lions get on with it. Plenty of other threads for me and Barry to have a sparring session whilst he thinks of many more terrible Valleys jokes.

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Plus, I’ll be totally honest, it was game over for me on trying to appear serious when you pointed out Andy Farrell has been in charge of Ireland for 6 years. I thought he was the England coach.

I KNEW IT

[J R Hartley]

I KNEW IT

[City123]

It's complicated isn't it, and on several occasions I've had this chat with Americans in bars.

Wales football - yes
Wales rugby - yes
England football - actually yes sometimes esp later in tournaments (sorry!)
England rugby - not on your nelly, squire.
Team GB - yes
England cricket - yes (cos it's the Wales team too)
British Rugby League - yes (when they played)
England Rugby Leaguev- yes (cos Wales are really shit now)
Lions - yes, but not so bothered

If they survive that and get another pint you can move onto the Welsh clubs playing in the English leagues thing, and then the fact an English club always wins the Welsh league.

Why the difference between England rugby and football?

I've seen a few people do that, never really understood it

[Underhill1980]

Brilliant performance this morning. Still room for improvement but a challenge thrown down.

[The Bloop]

Brilliant performance this morning. Still room for improvement but a challenge thrown down.

Still a lot of work to do as it was quite bitty in places. Biggest worry was the injury to Tomos Williams.

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Still a lot of work to do as it was quite bitty in places. Biggest worry was the injury to Tomos Williams.

yeah didn't look too good did it

[Der Kaiser]

Why the difference between England rugby and football?

I've seen a few people do that, never really understood it

Never understood people who hate england rugby and football but support the cricket team. 'Oh they represent us', technically yes but they do everything in their power to disassociate themselves from our nation, not even a token leek on the badge. The team is never presented as 'England and Wales' and the ECB would have it seen to that they are if they were proud to represent Wales.

About as disrespectful as it gets considering they 'represent Wales'

[the other bob wilson]

yeah didn't look too good did it

And then there was one.

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Never understood people who hate england rugby and football but support the cricket team. 'Oh they represent us', technically yes but they do everything in their power to disassociate themselves from our nation, not even a token leek on the badge. The team is never presented as 'England and Wales' and the ECB would have it seen to that they are if they were proud to represent Wales.

About as disrespectful as it gets considering they 'represent Wales'

Yeah I'm one of those people and I have no defence, I know it makes no sense, it's just different in my mind

[jon1959]

Never understood people who hate england rugby and football but support the cricket team. 'Oh they represent us', technically yes but they do everything in their power to disassociate themselves from our nation, not even a token leek on the badge. The team is never presented as 'England and Wales' and the ECB would have it seen to that they are if they were proud to represent Wales.

About as disrespectful as it gets considering they 'represent Wales'

Agree 100%.

[Jordi Culé]

Never understood people who hate england rugby and football but support the cricket team. 'Oh they represent us', technically yes but they do everything in their power to disassociate themselves from our nation, not even a token leek on the badge. The team is never presented as 'England and Wales' and the ECB would have it seen to that they are if they were proud to represent Wales.

About as disrespectful as it gets considering they 'represent Wales'

Never really understood anyone who 'supports' England (at anything). Just can't see how anyone can identify with them, granted if you have English parents etc

I'm not one of these dribbling tools who is rabidly anti English either. They're our closest neighbours, some think there's a sporting rivalry but in reality I doubt they give us a second thought.

Sports wise and especially football I'm at best ambivalent towards how they do even though the last two European Championships have provided a wry smile by failing to win them. That said, I don't mind their players, it's more the media and some of the fuuckwits that support them I like to see them continue to go so close but no cigar.

[the other bob wilson]

Never understood people who hate england rugby and football but support the cricket team. 'Oh they represent us', technically yes but they do everything in their power to disassociate themselves from our nation, not even a token leek on the badge. The team is never presented as 'England and Wales' and the ECB would have it seen to that they are if they were proud to represent Wales.

About as disrespectful as it gets considering they 'represent Wales'

Who is there that a Welsh cricketer can play internationals for if not England?

[Der Kaiser]

Who is there that a Welsh cricketer can play internationals for if not England?

If other countries are anything like England, I assume all of them.

[Der Kaiser]

Never really understood anyone who 'supports' England (at anything). Just can't see how anyone can identify with them, granted if you have English parents etc

I'm not one of these dribbling tools who is rabidly anti English either. They're our closest neighbours, some think there's a sporting rivalry but in reality I doubt they give us a second thought.

Sports wise and especially football I'm at best ambivalent towards how they do even though the last two European Championships have provided a wry smile by failing to win them. That said, I don't mind their players, it's more the media and some of the fuuckwits that support them I like to see them continue to go so close but no cigar.

Agree with all of this, though having lived in London for the last 5 years I have thoroughly enjoyed their final defeats. It's not even the usual naughty football fans who are irritating rather the hooray henry's in Clapham etc who are just about the most insufferable sporting demographic on the planet, so seeing them disappointed is a massive bonus. Hope they lose in the final next year, will make for a truly wonderful day out.

[the other bob wilson]

If other countries are anything like England, I assume all of them.

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[Moodybluebird]

Never understood people who hate england rugby and football but support the cricket team. 'Oh they represent us', technically yes but they do everything in their power to disassociate themselves from our nation, not even a token leek on the badge. The team is never presented as 'England and Wales' and the ECB would have it seen to that they are if they were proud to represent Wales.

About as disrespectful as it gets considering they 'represent Wales'

I totally disagree with you. Historically England has been represented by players from all over the UK and at times been captained by non-Englishmen. Mike Denness of Scotland and Tony Lewis of Wales spring to mind. If Wales produced high calibre players, it's unlikely they would be overlooked by England, especially as they've had South Africans and New Zealanders play for them. Over recent years there have been test matches played in Cardiff, so it's not as if the principality is being ignored.

The English football and rugby teams are a different kettle of fish however. Two more arrogant international teams it is difficult to imagine. And don't get me started on the English media !

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Yeah I'm one of those people and I have no defence, I know it makes no sense, it's just different in my mind

I would also like to say that my "support" of the England cricket team involves keeping an eye on the Ashes and low key hoping they win them

[lardy]

Never really understood anyone who 'supports' England (at anything). Just can't see how anyone can identify with them, granted if you have English parents etc

I'm not one of these dribbling tools who is rabidly anti English either. They're our closest neighbours, some think there's a sporting rivalry but in reality I doubt they give us a second thought.

Sports wise and especially football I'm at best ambivalent towards how they do even though the last two European Championships have provided a wry smile by failing to win them. That said, I don't mind their players, it's more the media and some of the fuuckwits that support them I like to see them continue to go so close but no cigar.

The last every European championships.

[Grangenders]

Shame about the injury. It now means that there will be no Welshman in the test team as Jac Morgan is nowhere near good enough

[the other bob wilson]

I totally disagree with you. Historically England has been represented by players from all over the UK and at times been captained by non-Englishmen. Mike Denness of Scotland and Tony Lewis of Wales spring to mind. If Wales produced high calibre players, it's unlikely they would be overlooked by England, especially as they've had South Africans and New Zealanders play for them. Over recent years there have been test matches played in Cardiff, so it's not as if the principality is being ignored.

The English football and rugby teams are a different kettle of fish however. Two more arrogant international teams it is difficult to imagine. And don't get me started on the English media !

I’m not aware of any Welsh player who was good enough to turn down a chance to play for the England cricket team on what I’ll call political grounds who has actually done so. Where else could they go that is considered more the team they should be representing than the one under the auspices of the England and Wales Cricket Board? I agree that the fact that Wales is represented by what is called the ECB is insulting and arrogant -it should be changed, but that doesn’t change the fact that if a Welsh player good enough to play for England opts not to do so because he wants to play for Wales, he has to do so for a side that plays on a part time basis at a level below county cricket. The Wales minor counties cricket side is the highest level you can play internationals for if you’re determined to play for that country - you could play for Glamorgan, but, either way, you’re going to be playing English teams under the auspices of the ECB.

I agree with you that football and rugby are a different kettle of fish to cricket.

[Lord Worcester]

Shame about the injury. It now means that there will be no Welshman in the test team as Jac Morgan is nowhere near good enough

And completely written off by Farrell after the Argentina game if you listen to his post match comments. Whilst he didn’t name him - he might as well of. So with Tomas potentially out of tour my little interest has become no interest. Listening to Farrells ridiculous comments on Hansen post game today, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is 13 Irish plus itoje and fin Russell come the 1st test. Farce.

[Dorcus]

And completely written off by Farrell after the Argentina game if you listen to his post match comments. Whilst he didn’t name him - he might as well of. So with Tomas potentially out of tour my little interest has become no interest. Listening to Farrells ridiculous comments on Hansen post game today, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is 13 Irish plus itoje and fin Russell come the 1st test. Farce.

I'm not sure it comes even remotely to being a "farce" if said players are deemed to be the best available. That's how matches and tests get won.

[Lord Worcester]

I'm not sure it comes even remotely to being a "farce" if said players are deemed to be the best available. That's how matches and tests get won.

We’ll see. But if that’s what happens then it would be a farce - Imho - when there are better Scottish and English options - imho!!