Politico (and their pollsters) have just had all of their USAID funding cut and we are now in a propaganda war of attrition.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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Politico (and their pollsters) have just had all of their USAID funding cut and we are now in a propaganda war of attrition.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Good grief, you’ve well and truly fallen off your fence haven’t you :hehe:
Still on the fence, just commenting on things that are happening!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
His continued endorsement of the clot shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I think he just needs to continue doing what he's doing. Everyone will come to realise eventually except for those mentally retarded.
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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
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Why if it leads to an end to the war and peace?Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
I would class that stevo as far left (the inability to accept other opinions) but not Radical left :hehe: :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Because the aggressor will have won - a negotiated settlement involving both sides is fine, but that’s not what we’re getting in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Aggressors do win a lot of the time unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Long way to go on this really but I'm not sure Stevos analysis will prove to be correct tbh
The orange one has now said Zelensky is not very important in meetings.
Inn this case it will lead to a peace entirely on Putin's terms thanks to Trump the appeaser.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
We just don't know that. We dont know the terms. I think the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine are the very least of what he wanted and certainly not everything he wanted. We also don't know what it means for prevention of any Russian incursion in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
But you are right. It is peace through appeasement but the alternative is war, potentially a war almost without end and a war that is devastating for Ukraine but also for Europe generally.
The only alternative is the total defeat of Russia, which seems staggeringly unlikely or the death of Putin which will obviously happen one day but we don't know who would replace him and either way that throw of the dice applies whether you seek peace or not
The random number is a bit Wales Onliney, but this is an interesting list
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93np4y0343o
Is this good or bad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq2U5u0s5LQ
I’d say an alternative is talks, and hopefully a peace, where both sides get fair and equal representation - the conservation has shifted to a choice between war or peace on the aggressors, Russia’s , terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
OK, so now we know Trump has had his eye on rare earth minerals in Ukraine. Also it seems Putin is now offering to Trump the mineral deposits which are found within the Ukranian territory captured by Russia! You couldn’t make it up. I suppose it just illustrates the mentality of the pair of them.
Trump has just got Starmer to increase defence spending instead of foreign aid.
Just seen Trumps video of how Gaza will look.What a sick minded twat.
All those poor people killed on that land.
Zelensky to visit the White House tomorrow.
Russia met last week.
It's almost as if the US is speaking to both sides to try and end the war? Heaven forbid of course!
Indefensible and sick IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
What sort of person would post something like this?
https://youtu.be/pOL7glX0mf0?si=0b7CrhrgxNK-ppmq
Some senile, deranged sex offenders?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
No suprise to see the Tate brothers getting the Proud Boys red carpet treatment.
They're on child grooming charges right ? Assume Musk has already called for an inquiry.
A dictator?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...v-saudi-arabia
In his first month in office, Donald Trump destroyed federal agencies, fired thousands of government workers and unleashed dozens of executive orders. The US president also found time to try to broker an agreement between two rival golf tournaments, the US-based PGA Tour and the LIV Golf league, funded by Saudi Arabia.
If concluded, the deal would directly benefit Trump’s family business, which owns and manages golf courses around the world. And it would be the latest example of Trump using the presidency to advance his personal interests.
Who would have thunk it!
If only other world leaders were just as productive, eh?
God bless America.
I wonder if in the last 8 years or so there has been a single balanced commentary piece in the guardian about the current American president?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I don't know about the Guardian, but there certainly hasn't been one from you - and that is 18 years! :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Do you really not think Trump is using the Presidency to enrich himself?
My comments and thoughts on him are pretty balanced and sane really.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
No, I don't think his primary aim is to enrich himself, nope. Certainly no more than politicians generally.
He's got the World Cup and Olympics too, what a grifter!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
What are they saying that isn’t true?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's just the same relentless neverending negativity all the time. Its so completely one sided. No attempt ever made to reach out or see things from the other side, or actually try to understand the appeal and tactics or thinking of the man (which admittedly isn't always easy!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It's no different to the Daily Mail and Corbyn. It's not real life. It's kinda pointless reading that stuff.
Thoughts on the Starmer/Trump meeting?
Newsnight says Downing Street are ecstatic. They did seem to get on..
Trump's whole life has been about making money. For decades that has been the persona he's tried to build, even though he hasn't always been successful at it. Other than the Epsteiny things, that's what people associate most with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
He's unlikely to change in his 70s. Getting the government to pay overpriced rooms for all his detail to stay unnecessarily at his private property every other week is just one example of him enriching himself. There's no doubt that he is, at best, enriching himself more than the average politician.
So I would disagree that paragraph 2 is balanced (or same).
Wow, it only took one month for LTDS (lardy trump derangement syndrome) to kick in. Trump must be stupid, he could have got his son onto the board of a Ukrainian company and watched the billions rolling in while playing golf every day, instead of allegedly scamming a few thousand bucks on room rentals :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
So, essentially, you were just airing your own biases - I tried asking a few weeks back for things that Trump has done to improve the lot of the average MAGA voter in his first term and so far in this one and cannot recall getting a reply because nothing obvious springs to mind to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You’ve seemingly conceded that nothing the Guardian said was wrong, yet are complaining about their negativity. Well, from where I’m standing there’s nothing to be positive about when it comes to Donald Trump’s presidency. If we end up with a peace in Ukraine which does not involve them getting trampled over then that’ll be a definite tick in the box for him, but it seems the main reason he won was because voters trusted him more on the economy than the Democrats and there’s been little to justify that decision so far.
Starmer performed well. They clearly prepared extensively for that and the one two of Macron (a more natural politician) into Starmer seems to have worked well. Obviously if I look at it at face value it makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit but we have to play the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
This meeting was about survival, whether they actually end up close enough for Starmer to exert even the tiniest bit of influence over Trump is another matter entirely. I think I've reached the point where I can't see any point in caring about what Trump does domestically so long as his desperate goons (mostly Musk and Vance) quit the stream of fear mongering and interfering in UK politics/society.
As for negativity, one thing I do admire about Trump is how much of a natural he is. I have to admit that I was chuckling at the answer to the 'is zelensky a dictator?' question, where he said 'did I say that? I can't believe I said that'. It's shocking that he can get away with that, it doesn't even *seem* like a U-turn and he was so comfortable answering such a difficult question.