Imperial measures making a comeback - for or against?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

The metric system may be older but it's not British in origin lardy, nor has it permeated the culture in the same way.

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Who gives a rat's arse?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

The metric system may be older but it's not British in origin lardy, nor has it permeated the culture in the same way.

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So why don't you support the Winchester System, which is older and permeated British culture more as it was part of every day life for far longer than the imperial system?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Tradition, identity and heritage can also hold back progress.

One Welsh tradition is singing. Allegedly. Of course it isn't. The Land of Song was a moniker attached to Wales by the English. Historically, Wales has never been more of a singing country than the rest of the UK.

As a result of this "heritage", we have hundreds of male voice choirs around the country, most of them struggling with ageing memberships and still singing the old shit they have for decades upon decades. New choirs, such as Only Men Aloud, are the future of male voice singing in Wales, yet I see so many traditional choirs clinging onto the past because it makes them feel comfortable.

Tradition, identity and heritage hasn't been decided forever. It changes. New things will become a part of our culture while some old things are no longer of relevance. We need to embrace change. We can nod to the past, sure, nothing wrong in respecting that, of course. In 100 years I bet there'll be little mentioned about our mining heritage as, generation by generation, it gets forgotten.

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I disagree with your views on old choirs being shit.
How would you like Welsh Choir culture be controlled and dictated to by a globalist organisation?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

I disagree with your views on old choirs being shit.
How would you like Welsh Choir culture be controlled and dictated to by a globalist organisation?

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Disagree all you want. I've written lots about it, both academically and elsewhere.

Welsh choirs aren't controlled and dictated to by any globalist organisations. Utterly ridiculous comment.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...PjbXTfGZviVaMQ

13 out of 18.

Got all my guesses wrong!

Being from a building trade background I used to always work in imperial, 8 X 4 ft sheets, 4 X 2" timber, 1 3/4" screws

its funny

we drink pints, I weigh 17 stone, Im 6ft 3" yet when I was in school we were told Imperial was dead and metric was the way forward and we would ditch Imperial, it never did go away

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Being from a building trade background I used to always work in imperial, 8 X 4 ft sheets, 4 X 2" timber, 1 3/4" screws

its funny

we drink pints, I weigh 17 stone, Im 6ft 3" yet when I was in school we were told Imperial was dead and metric was the way forward and we would ditch Imperial, it never did go away

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The number of times ‘non construction people’ make the centimetre & millimetre mistake. They say 10 or 35 when it should be 100 or 350, can be a costly mistake for some. Was chatting about this down Express Steels recently, a customer phoned in for a beam four metres and fifty long. Of course it was cut at 4050, customer picks it up and complains that it’s too short. Customer should have asked for four metres, five hundred. The old hands down there said there was never a problem when, say, 14’6 was phoned in. Centimetres should be taken out of the system completely, they confuse matters, plus dealing in millimetres is so much more accurate.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

The number of times ‘non construction people’ make the centimetre & millimetre mistake. They say 10 or 35 when it should be 100 or 350, can be a costly mistake for some. Was chatting about this down Express Steels recently, a customer phoned in for a beam four metres and fifty long. Of course it was cut at 4050, customer picks it up and complains that it’s too short. Customer should have asked for four metres, five hundred. The old hands down there said there was never a problem when, say, 14’6 was phoned in. Centimetres should be taken out of the system completely, they confuse matters, plus dealing in millimetres is so much more accurate.

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Happened to me , I had a job to fit a UPVC Front window on a new build extension, they measured it ( which I never used to do and always try to avoid, but he was adamant he could measure the opening size ), I ordered it and would fit it, 3080 they said, they meant 3800 :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...PjbXTfGZviVaMQ

13 out of 18.

Got all my guesses wrong!

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Just 11 for me although it should have been twelve but, half asleep, I pressed the wrong button. Like you, got all of my guesses wrong, but, thinking about it now, I should have known roughly how long a cubit was.

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Originally Posted by lardy

But you do think we should bring back the barleycorn?

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Though the name isn't used, we still use the barleycorn.
It's what UK shoe sizes are measured in

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Just 11 for me although it should have been twelve but, half asleep, I pressed the wrong button. Like you, got all of my guesses wrong, but, thinking about it now, I should have known roughly how long a cubit was.

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For some reason cubit has always stuck in my head - based on the measurement from elbow to finger tip. Roman I think?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Being from a building trade background I used to always work in imperial, 8 X 4 ft sheets, 4 X 2" timber, 1 3/4" screws

its funny

we drink pints, I weigh 17 stone, Im 6ft 3" yet when I was in school we were told Imperial was dead and metric was the way forward and we would ditch Imperial, it never did go away

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Exactly, it never went away, it's a small part of the culture and identity of the country and there is no issue treating the two equally if different people want to use it.

Obviously removing metric standards would be totally wrong as would not teaching it, but culturally the two can exist and it's fine to treat them equally in the law - mental that the EU ever pushed otherwise really.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...PjbXTfGZviVaMQ

13 out of 18.

Got all my guesses wrong!

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18/18! :old:

I knew most, had 2 lucky guesses.

16/18 don’t know my sausages & flummoxed by a peck!

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Disagree all you want. I've written lots about it, both academically and elsewhere.

Welsh choirs aren't controlled and dictated to by any globalist organisations. Utterly ridiculous comment.

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I've listened to enough traditional music to know what i like. You may have written an opinion piece but it's not scientific fact. It's your opinion.

The concept *is* utterly ridiculous, that was the point. just like the distant Globalsts in Brussels diluting national culture with dictat. Ridiculous

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

I've listened to enough traditional music to know what i like. You may have written an opinion piece but it's not scientific fact. It's your opinion.

The concept *is* utterly ridiculous, that was the point. just like the distant Globalsts in Brussels diluting national culture with dictat. Ridiculous

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It is a fact that traditional male voice choirs are in decline and are dying. That's not an opinion.

I live in the US, so imperial measures never went away. We also use Fahrenheit. I've sometimes wondered, do people talk about the size dicks in centimeters?

Not sure what it achieves other than gesture politics . Got a feeling only 3 countries use it one being the , USA perhaps it please our freinds accross the pond?

I cant weight for the backlash.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I live in the US, so imperial measures never went away. We also use Fahrenheit. I've sometimes wondered, do people talk about the size dicks in centimeters?

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i think you've been wondering that a lot:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

It is a fact that traditional male voice choirs are in decline and are dying. That's not an opinion.

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I didn't dispute that, is it because they're "shit" though? Or is it that society has been conditioned to ditch tradition and community in favour of atomisation and "consuming" the next superficial novelty act. In my view Traditional choirs aren't "shit" niether in sound or what they represent in terms of community. What's sold as "Progress" isn't necessarily good or beneficial for humanity. I think the West has been in decline for decades, despite progressing from the betamax. People are suffering record levels of mental illness, suicide increasing rapidly with white male suicide increasing fastest.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Timber is still 2x2, 3x2 and sheets of ply are 8x4

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Ye but the said timber comes in 2 lengths, 4.8 and 6 metres :hehe:

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Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead

Without looking...
In feet and inches..
A fathom....
A chain....

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A chin is 22 yds, the length of a cricket pitch stumps to stumps, and is 1/10 of a furlong (Horse racing).

A fathom is 6 ft (I think)

How much is a finger of fudge?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

A chin is 22 yds, the length of a cricket pitch stumps to stumps, and is 1/10 of a furlong (Horse racing).

A fathom is 6 ft (I think)

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Only for Bruce Forsythe.

We have used both systems side by side for ages anyway.
A lot of construction is done in imperial like a standard stair riser is 10 inches, and a load in metric. We order concrete in Cubic metres and skips by yardage. Timber has already been mentioned.
Land generally in acres, racing in furlongs Fuel we buy in litres and measure consumption by miles ger gallon. Try converting that in your head.
Ships used to be measured by long or short tons, not sure what it is now (when constructing I mean)
In markets everything is usually marked in both weights.

The reason that the old system used 12 pennies to a shilling was because a person can count to 12 on the fingers of 1 hand so people who couldn't read or write could still count and understand what they were getting. By extension a Gross is 12 x 12 which is countable on the fingers of 2 hands, when someone reached that quantity they had to stop because they couldn't count any more, i.e. they grossed out.
Oil is still traded worldwide by the barrel, a barrel measure being 36 gallons. A gallon of water weights 10 pounds which is why a pint is 20 ounces.
Champagne is sold by the bottle, and all sizes up which were originally imperial measurements. Beer is casked/barreled in firkins barrels, hog heads, tuns. When I lived in Berlin in the 80s you could by fresh meat in a butchers by the pound.
Nothing about any of this confuses the average person, it just is what it is and people understand what they're getting without consciously thinking about it.

I'm sure there are lots of other example which I can't think of because they come so naturally (I just thought of one, trouser and suit measurements, shoe sizes ladies dresses etc)

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

We have used both systems side by side for ages anyway.
A lot of construction is done in imperial like a standard stair riser is 10 inches, and a load in metric. We order concrete in Cubic metres and skips by yardage. Timber has already been mentioned.
Land generally in acres, racing in furlongs Fuel we buy in litres and measure consumption by miles ger gallon. Try converting that in your head.
Ships used to be measured by long or short tons, not sure what it is now (when constructing I mean)
In markets everything is usually marked in both weights.

The reason that the old system used 12 pennies to a shilling was because a person can count to 12 on the fingers of 1 hand so people who couldn't read or write could still count and understand what they were getting. By extension a Gross is 12 x 12 which is countable on the fingers of 2 hands, when someone reached that quantity they had to stop because they couldn't count any more, i.e. they grossed out.
Oil is still traded worldwide by the barrel, a barrel measure being 36 gallons. A gallon of water weights 10 pounds which is why a pint is 20 ounces.
Champagne is sold by the bottle, and all sizes up which were originally imperial measurements. Beer is casked/barreled in firkins barrels, hog heads, tuns. When I lived in Berlin in the 80s you could by fresh meat in a butchers by the pound.
Nothing about any of this confuses the average person, it just is what it is and people understand what they're getting without consciously thinking about it.

I'm sure there are lots of other example which I can't think of because they come so naturally (I just thought of one, trouser and suit measurements, shoe sizes ladies dresses etc)

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Tidy reply. You forgot burgers are quarter pounders :thumbup:

No wonder boris is prime minister. You lot are deluded
With whats going on in the world you are arguing about weights and measures
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Originally Posted by Sparticus_Mills

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and this
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right versus left driving

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

No wonder boris is prime minister. You lot are deluded
With whats going on in the world you are arguing about weights and measures
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It's bigger than weights and measures. Haven't you been reading? It's about moving on from betamax and protecting our imperial laden grand kids from petty theives abroad. 😆

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

It's bigger than weights and measures. Haven't you been reading? It's about moving on from betamax and protecting our imperial laden grand kids from petty theives abroad. ��

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ahhh... the colonists greatest fear

Oh...and the next person that wants to have a go! You want to live in yards and feet and shillings but 90% (guess) can't even speak welsh, me included and why ? Didn't need it. just like you don't need the old imperial system today.. good night

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

Oh...and the next person that wants to have a go! You want to live in yards and feet and shillings but 90% (guess) can't even speak welsh, me included and why ? Didn't need it. just like you don't need the old imperial system today.. good night

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We don't need Welsh but it enriches our culture if we have it.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

The reason that the old system used 12 pennies to a shilling was because a person can count to 12 on the fingers of 1 hand

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Maybe in Swansea....

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Originally Posted by jon1959

How much is a finger of fudge?

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Two and six for you, old fruit.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

I didn't dispute that, is it because they're "shit" though? Or is it that society has been conditioned to ditch tradition and community in favour of atomisation and "consuming" the next superficial novelty act. In my view Traditional choirs aren't "shit" niether in sound or what they represent in terms of community. What's sold as "Progress" isn't necessarily good or beneficial for humanity. I think the West has been in decline for decades, despite progressing from the betamax. People are suffering record levels of mental illness, suicide increasing rapidly with white male suicide increasing fastest.

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I think you're reading too much into this. Things in society evolve naturally. Things lose their place in the natural canon for many reasons and get replaced. We can either moan and whinge about natural change or we accept it. No-one is really forcing this change on people.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Maybe in Swansea....

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I was expecting an answer like that but not from you. People in Swansea could probably count to 15 on one hand and 225 on two. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I was expecting an answer like that but not from you. People in Swansea could probably count to 15 on one hand and 225 on two. :hehe:

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Normal people - 12 on one hand. Swansea people - 15 on one hand.

Trying to work out a formula here.....

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Normal people - 12 on one hand. Swansea people - 15 on one hand.

Trying to work out a formula here.....

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Look at your palm, bend your fingers slightly and count 3 on each finger using your thumb. When you do that you get to 12. Count one similar space on your other had then count to 12 on the first hand again. And so on until you reach 12 x 12. Grossed out. :tumbleweed:
Easy once you know how, counting on your fingers! So when someone says he could count something on the fingers of one hand he doesn't necessarily mean 5. (Or 6 in a jack's case. :hehe:)