I didn't dispute that, is it because they're "shit" though? Or is it that society has been conditioned to ditch tradition and community in favour of atomisation and "consuming" the next superficial novelty act. In my view Traditional choirs aren't "shit" niether in sound or what they represent in terms of community. What's sold as "Progress" isn't necessarily good or beneficial for humanity. I think the West has been in decline for decades, despite progressing from the betamax. People are suffering record levels of mental illness, suicide increasing rapidly with white male suicide increasing fastest.