Cardiff city protest march video promo. For 18th January

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Why the feck would they have a meeting with Sam Hammam though.?

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I think he wanted to explain why he no longer wants to buy the club for 60 million:xmashehe:
Wait a year, save 30 million at least…

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Originally Posted by goats

I think he wanted to explain why he no longer wants to buy the club for 60 million:xmashehe:
Wait a year, save 30 million at least…

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Didnt he go into hiding after packing Kav on a helicopter for 500k or thereabouts.??

Debt is good.🤣

He couldn't take the club over for free let alone £30m.

Please tell me our trust didn't entertain him and his ego.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Yeah tan thought the apathy and empty seats were down to the rebrand.

He's probably learned by now that the rebrand had nothing to do with the empty seats and general apathy :hehe:

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Also the fact that many never did return or some took years, the customers didn’t just come back straight away for the game v Fulham was it?
I did, but something didn’t feel the same anymore. It was a habit I thought was hard to break, but in fact it was easy, and it’s got easier as time went on to this almost apathetic state.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Didnt he go into hiding after packing Kav on a helicopter for 500k or thereabouts.??

Debt is good.��

He couldn't take the club over for free let alone £30m.

Please tell me our trust didn't entertain him and his ego.

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I haven’t got a clue, I never knew or met the guy. Remember everyone then thinking the £20 million debt was the end of the world though and it really wasn’t. Speculate to accumulate as the old saying goes, he had faults but he was well and truly shafted by PMG and the council over the ground and retail park….who did get control of that lucrative site eh?

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Originally Posted by goats

I haven’t got a clue, I never knew or met the guy. Remember everyone then thinking the £20 million debt was the end of the world though and it really wasn’t. Speculate to accumulate as the old saying goes, he had faults but he was well and truly shafted by PMG and the council over the ground and retail park….who did get control of that lucrative site eh?

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No. Just no. He said debt was good.

He wasnt Shafted by anyone.

Depressing He still cons our fans and even the Trust still meeting him.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

So your not there but backing people to disrupt games.

Saying that doubt points deduction won't make much difference.🤣

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What a worm.

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Originally Posted by goats

I haven’t got a clue, I never knew or met the guy. Remember everyone then thinking the £20 million debt was the end of the world though and it really wasn’t. Speculate to accumulate as the old saying goes, he had faults but he was well and truly shafted by PMG and the council over the ground and retail park….who did get control of that lucrative site eh?

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How was he shafted :xmashehe: Cardiff Council to their credit did their due diligence and simply didn’t want to go down the Merton Council route and end up with a Wimbledon F.C scenario.

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Originally Posted by Onlyblue

But you’re wrong the organisers are not naive enough to think one protest will get Tan to sell up!

I believe there’s a committee formed to flood social media, YouTube etc, that’s going on besides the protest. I’m not involved but I believe the protest is the beginning of things.

After all it was the other forum that was a big part of leading the ‘back to blue’ protests that 100% was correct in their aims.

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I’ve seen very little on Twitter tbh, except someone who shared a post by *****, but that wasn’t about a protest

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Originally Posted by llan bluebird

As i see it, as a customer you have three options

1- Everything is cool, so carry on as normal
2- Complain and hope the supplier listens
3- Stop using the company with the poor service

For years we have been thankful because if Tan wasn't here we'd end up with a National League manager and a squad of journeymen only here for their last cheque.
With hindsight option 2 is too late, it will take seasons to get us back on a proper trajectory. So I think option 3 will be popular and hit him like a ton of bricks 25/26.

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you forget option 4, make Tan a offer and buy the club :xmasthumbup::xmashehe:

but seriously, as ive said in the past, option 2 only works if the supplier listens / cares ( Tan doesnt appear to )

so you are left with option 1, see what happens and accept it for what it is, Option 3, find something else to do with your time ( ive said it before, a local non-league team would love your support and money )

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Why the feck would they have a meeting with Sam Hammam though.?

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Im not sure what Sam would bring to the table, he has been out of the game for too long ( dont tell me he has kept up with the game ), so surely his contacts have moved on
Yes I know a certain section of our fans would welcome him back as the messiah, he had them all dangling like puppets for so long they cant see the wood from the tree's

its like Groundhog Day, a bit of Drama and Sam arrives ( on his white charger ) in the county and the usual suspects get together to stroke his ego

I wonder what was discussed ? ? I guess only the chosen few will know

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Im not sure what Sam would bring to the table, he has been out of the game for too long ( dont tell me he has kept up with the game ), so surely his contacts have moved on
Yes I know a certain section of our fans would welcome him back as the messiah, he had them all dangling like puppets for so long they cant see the wood from the tree's

its like Groundhog Day, a bit of Drama and Sam arrives ( on his white charger ) in the county and the usual suspects get together to stroke his ego

I wonder what was discussed ? ? I guess only the chosen few will know

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Out of the game or not, I’d back Hammam’s knowledge of the game and what makes a successful club over Tan’s any day of the week, but I agree with you - Hammam’s time at the club has ended and his return would improve nothing, I somehow can’t see him making any debt to equity conversions.

Would Swanseas Trust have a meet up with Tony Petty?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Would Swanseas Trust have a meet up with Tony Petty?

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I wonder if anything will be reported about what was discussed or is that all embargoed as well?

This thread is enough to make you slit your wrists. Unless you’re a glory hunter, then you are stuck with your team for life.
Through thick and thin.
I’ve got a novel idea. Those making the trip to Watford today, myself included, let’s do something left field at this most toxic of times, with moral at an all time low, and get right behind the manager and team from the first minute to the last.Otherwise, what’s the point of going and spending our hard earned?
Our owner might be a cu*t, our manager might be shite, and the players might be just average, but not one of them will not try today.
They will be low on confidence, and probably fearing a backlash.
Being a supporter is not just about the good times.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Out of the game or not, I’d back Hammam’s knowledge of the game and what makes a successful club over Tan’s any day of the week, but I agree with you - Hammam’s time at the club has ended and his return would improve nothing, I somehow can’t see him making any debt to equity conversions.

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Didn’t he recklessly just throw money at everything until he couldn’t afford it anymore, “debt that went with him when he left” until he then continuously took us to court to recoup it for “Langston”.

I wouldn’t say we were a well run club under him, didn’t we have to stop Thorne playing incase he scored because of a 10k bonus per goal, Kav shipped away on a helicopter, even Dave Jones agreed a deal with Ridsdale to come as manager and Sam walked in to double it for no apparent reason.

Not to say they weren’t absolutely brilliant times, a brilliant ride, amazing time to be a fan.

However I never thought of him as an intelligent owner.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Would Swanseas Trust have a meet up with Tony Petty?

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Only if the team were Free Fallin....

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

This thread is enough to make you slit your wrists. Unless you’re a glory hunter, then you are stuck with your team for life.
Through thick and thin.
I’ve got a novel idea. Those making the trip to Watford today, myself included, let’s do something left field at this most toxic of times, with moral at an all time low, and get right behind the manager and team from the first minute to the last.Otherwise, what’s the point of going and spending our hard earned?
Our owner might be a cu*t, our manager might be shite, and the players might be just average, but not one of them will not try today.
They will be low on confidence, and probably fearing a backlash.
Being a supporter is not just about the good times.

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A Puppy is for life.....

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

A Puppy is for life.....

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Ah Tuerto. You were one of my favourites to reply first. 😂
I’ll be going nowhere near the shitehole that is Watford today. The club is fuc*ed from top to bottom. I’ve spent my last pound at the CCS..
Good luck with the booing,jeering , marching and any other form of protest. You’ll all be pissing into the wind with a dictator like ours.
The only way to make him take notice, is a few completely empty stadiums for the home games.
Good luck with that though, because we couldn’t even do that for the rebrand farce..

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Originally Posted by Hilts

No. Just no. He said debt was good.

He wasnt Shafted by anyone.

Depressing He still cons our fans and even the Trust still meeting him.

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I’m a Trust member and was not happy that Keith was there. I have made enquiries of the Trust and, apparently, Keith was there in a personal capacity and not as a Trust rep. So, the Trust not meeting him. However, Keith was outnumbered by Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Group reps so what was their position?

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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort

I’m a Trust member and was not happy that Keith was there. I have made enquiries of the Trust and, apparently, Keith was there in a personal capacity and not as a Trust rep. So, the Trust not meeting him. However, Keith was outnumbered by Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Group reps so what was their position?

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There in a personal capacity? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Ah Tuerto. You were one of my favourites to reply first. 😂
I’ll be going nowhere near the shitehole that is Watford today. The club is fuc*ed from top to bottom. I’ve spent my last pound at the CCS..
Good luck with the booing,jeering , marching and any other form of protest. You’ll all be pissing into the wind with a dictator like ours.
The only way to make him take notice, is a few completely empty stadiums for the home games.
Good luck with that though, because we couldn’t even do that for the rebrand farce..

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Bill i don't blame you for not reading my posts, but i'm in the same camp as you, i'm not going anywhere near the club until something changes, not interested. I'll still watch games on the box, but wont be setting foot in the stadium.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort

I’m a Trust member and was not happy that Keith was there. I have made enquiries of the Trust and, apparently, Keith was there in a personal capacity and not as a Trust rep. So, the Trust not meeting him. However, Keith was outnumbered by Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Group reps so what was their position?

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We have been here before though! I can't think of any circumstance of our current predicament where Hammam offers a solution. In my opinion, based on the push back from the previous meeting, it was a misjudgement from the Chair of the Trust to be sucked back in to a similar perceived conflict of interest.

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?452542-Sam-Hammam

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

We have been here before though! I can't think of any circumstance of our current predicament where Hammam offers a solution. In my opinion, based on the push back from the previous meeting, it was a misjudgement from the Chair of the Trust to be sucked back in to a similar perceived conflict of interest.

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?452542-Sam-Hammam

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Quite. However ive no objection with the trust meeting whoever the hell they like.

What is difficult to defend is Keith claiming (or others claiming on his behalf after being outed by AA for attending) that it had nothing to do with the trust whatsoever. He's the chairman of the trust and dare I say it wouldn't have been invited as a random individual. What other random individuals were invited then?

I do have some sympathy for those saying AA and sam have played Keith and he's fallen for it but at the same time- was he born yesterday? Could he really not see such an obvious trap from those 2?

Hopefully it's bollox and they didn't meet up with Sam.

At the moment we are an absolute disaster in all aspects of the club.

I'm sure the next feck up is close mind.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Hopefully it's bollox and they didn't meet up with Sam.

At the moment we are an absolute disaster in all aspects of the club.

I'm sure the next feck up is close mind.

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They 100% did.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Out of the game or not, I’d back Hammam’s knowledge of the game and what makes a successful club over Tan’s any day of the week, but I agree with you - Hammam’s time at the club has ended and his return would improve nothing, I somehow can’t see him making any debt to equity conversions.

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Can you imagine Tan going to watch our youth matches on a wet and windy night in Treforest? I was always amazed to hear that SH often went to the kids games….plenty of faults he had for sure, don’t we all…..I’d swap what we had in 2004 for what we have now in a heartbeat…

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Hopefully it's bollox and they didn't meet up with Sam.

At the moment we are an absolute disaster in all aspects of the club.

I'm sure the next feck up is close mind.

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Wonder who “they” are? And that’s coming from someone who regularly posts the word “they”, in this instance I have no clue…was it big gwyn in his red turncoat?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Bill i don't blame you for not reading my posts, but i'm in the same camp as you, i'm not going anywhere near the club until something changes, not interested. I'll still watch games on the box, but wont be setting foot in the stadium.

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Seems to be more and more of us everyday lol

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Originally Posted by Hilts

No. Just no. He said debt was good.

He wasnt Shafted by anyone.

Depressing He still cons our fans and even the Trust still meeting him.

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Believe it or not, debt is good. If you run a business or can get multiple mortgages then you’re lucky no? If you can’t get a mortgage I’d say your pretty f*cked in this current world.

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Originally Posted by goats

Wonder who “they” are? And that’s coming from someone who regularly posts the word “they”, in this instance I have no clue…was it big gwyn in his red turncoat?

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It's been suggested the Trust had a meeting.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Bill i don't blame you for not reading my posts, but i'm in the same camp as you, i'm not going anywhere near the club until something changes, not interested. I'll still watch games on the box, but wont be setting foot in the stadium.

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Originally Posted by goats

Believe it or not, debt is good. If you run a business or can get multiple mortgages then you’re lucky no? If you can’t get a mortgage I’d say your pretty f*cked in this current world.

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Obviously when you can afford the debt.

When u do a disappearing act and your captain is whisked away in an helicopter and been put on the brink not so much.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

It's been suggested the Trust had a meeting.

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Except the Trust didn't.

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Originally Posted by RichardM

Except the Trust didn't.

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The chairman of the trust did.

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Originally Posted by RichardM

Except the Trust didn't.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

How was he shafted :xmashehe: Cardiff Council to their credit did their due diligence and simply didn’t want to go down the Merton Council route and end up with a Wimbledon F.C scenario.

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Cardiff council and due diligence now that’s two phrases that don’t go together. Sam was in with Goodwage, all rosey then he lost his seat. Was it Berman who took over then? Strangely refusing SH permission he needed but instead giving it to his taffia mates at PMG who were more than happy to reap those rewards with Ridsdale….cue a financial melt. Who knows what really went down but from what I heard via people I know who worked high up the council, not SH or his mob, it wasn’t very transparent:xmashehe:

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Originally Posted by Ninian1962

The Trust have not been notified of any details of the event by the organisers

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Sounds like another Trust excuse. If you had posted "we (the trust) have tried to contact the organizer's, but they have failed to respond" then I could understand the trust being blameless as you seem to indicate.

But again, this is another example of the trust not being proactive. If there is a hint of a protest, then the trust should try to engage. If after speaking with the organizer's the trust wants to get involved or not, then explain your reasons to your membership

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Originally Posted by goats

Cardiff council and due diligence now that’s two phrases that don’t go together. Sam was in with Goodwage, all rosey then he lost his seat. Was it Berman who took over then? Strangely refusing SH permission he needed but instead giving it to his taffia mates at PMG who were more than happy to reap those rewards with Ridsdale….cue a financial melt. Who knows what really went down but from what I heard via people I know who worked high up the council, not SH or his mob, it wasn’t very transparent:xmashehe:

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Apparently the relationship between Rodney Berman & Hammam bordered on farcical at times and that may or may not have been a factor but due diligence was undertaken after what happened with Plougn Lane.

I’m sure S.H lost money at the time, but wasn’t that outlay included in the 24m loan notes ?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Apparently the relationship between Rodney Berman & Hammam bordered on farcical at times and that may or may not have been a factor but due diligence was undertaken after what happened with Plougn Lane.

I’m sure S.H lost money at the time, but wasn’t that outlay included in the 24m loan notes ?

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I can’t recall to be honest. Also, did go to brown hills now and again, but it wasn’t a place for the faint hearted….:xmashehe:
As for Olympus sports, that was mid 80’s wasn’t it? I recall seeing young lads hanging out there and plenty of docks boys, but I fancied going home with my tacchini tracksuit top so gave that area a swerve if they were there, they generally looked a few years older than me and my mates….