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Originally Posted by stevo
I think the Bishop at the inauguration church service said it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
https://youtu.be/5ESheItSWy4?si=7YiOsQbeGWNkfgQT
But I cannot support these off the top of my head:
Withdrawal from WHO
Withdrawal from the Paris agreement
Scrapping EDI policies
Policy on free speech that facilitates misinformation and hatred
Oh, and not to mention those pardons for the "J6 hostages"
This points you have raised are in respect of a leader of another country though so why get so entangled in another countries affairs as it doesn’t affect the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
How much use is the WHO ?
What is wrong with withdrawing from yet another useless climate change policy?
EDI policy is wrong but it’s not us
How much misinformation does our own government give out ?
Pardons for J6 not great but our own government continues to support other regimes that are doing the same
Except it does though thanks to our "special relationship" with the good, old, US of A, especially as they seem to be taking a lot of interest in our politics lately. As we are an ally, we are seen as complicit in a lot of their actions by the rest of the world. It's time to keep our distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
How should we keep our distance? And who should we get closer to as a result?Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Wasn't Rachel Reeves getting closer to China only last week?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
That looked like a 'hedging your bets' move before Trump settled in his throne.
Anyone getting their knickers in a twist about Trump...just wait until they hear China gets up to..Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
We could stop the selling of arms to Israel, which in turn would also send a message to the US and the rest of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
And get closer to Europe instead of course. There's a reason why the EU was a good thing.
We have a free trade deal with the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
What do you want? Them to determine our laws again?
That seems a strange move given we apparently have a far-right govt in Italy, Poland and Hungary and another about to come into place in Austria and the EU parliament has been Conservative led for 20 years. Why would someone fearful of the US presidents supposed influence want to grant real power to those?
Maybe because it would 'grant real power' to the UK to influence the future direction of Europe? If not the UK government, then parts of UK civil society and NGOs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
'They' didn't do to us in the EU. 'We' did to us and to 'them'. It is a two-way street. If only you had a more balanced view of the world James, you would see that.
As an aside the only two 'western' leaders of major states to take part in Cop 29 in Baku were Kier Starmer and Giorgia Meloni. She is certainly the head of one of Europe's right wing governments, but despite her roots in the politics of Mussolini she is not in lock step with Trump on climate - nor on some other big issues.
I didnt say we had no influence over the EU. We did. But they had more influence over us. I am balanced on it, I was pondering where people outraged at Trump would have us go? One suggestion is China (which has a far worse human rights record even if no one cares about that anymore) and the EU, which closer ties would almost certainly mean ceding power to them over our laws. It's not very logical.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Our laws are set by us now. A left of centre govt elected by the British people. What's to object to?
Talking of environmental issues, this is an interesting topic;
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce323q4kej1o
You are right on Meloni, but she was never far-right to begin with. That was just more clickbait crap that unfortunately we see a lot of now.
USA vs EU is la grande expérience as their policies are now becoming polar opposites, so maybe we should be hedging our bets before diving in?Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
what is a nazi? kellie jay keen , j k rowling, tommy robinson both nazi and zionist , the rev calvin robinson , the list of nazis is endless and meaninglessQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
FYPQuote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
Did Robinson just do a Nazi salute after his goal ?
Musk? He is just a bundle of non-Nazi laughs he is!
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That's quite concerning really, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
He’s a Zionist with strong links to Israel , surley if he was a Nazi , this wouldn’t be the case would it :sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Anyone fancy doing Musk’s “gesture” a few times over in the middle of town or in their workplace?
If not, why not?
Why wouldn’t it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
The world is full of anti Semites (some of them neo-Nazis) who have strong links to Israel and claim to be Zionists.
Try Viktor Orban, the Afrikaans leadership of apartheid South Africa, Tommy Robinson or the US white supremacist Richard Spencer (who describes himself as a White Zionist).
Zionists are mainly not Jewish. Many Jewish people are anti Zionist (and the % is growing again - especially in the USA).
Since long before the Balfour Declaration European and American anti Semites have supported the Zionist project - to remove Jews from their towns and cities, for strategic political reasons (a client state in the Middle East) or because they are Old Testament literalists who have a racist and reactionary view of their deity’s supposed deal with his chosen people.
The political right support Israel and Musk is totally at home in that toxic place.
Good point :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Worrying times
mostly used by tictok users , reinstated by the nazi trump , still confused , what is a nazi?Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
A nazi is someone who wants an inquiry into child grooming, someone who thinks Israel deserves to exist and someone who their opponent doesn't want to debate with anymore so they use it as a get out clause.
It is also a member of the now defunct NSDAP German National Socialist Workers Party, who haven't been taking members for 80 years now, but why let the truth get in the way of a good story!?
You are really getting onboard the Farage bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Word perfect! :thumbup: :hehe:
Musk on tour!
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...astern-germany
i see , the grand muffti was a supporter of that mr hitler are muslims nazis, it's very confusingQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
And you still maintain that you're not right wing?
what is a nazi ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Take a look in the mirror, might give you an idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
so i am the only nazi ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
I'm taking the piss out of you, Jon et al Alun!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Highly unlikely there are any Nazis on this board. You really should find other things to talk about!
The mirror is a communist paper, not a Nazi one. That's the Sun, silly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
In all seriousness though, you do know what one is, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
it's me !!! i am ''the nazi''Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Each day it's getting a bit harder to fight that corner, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...eidel-00200620
We already know that you love the WEF and the EU Commission, which is quite surprising since you live in one of the most controlled countries in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
No it isn't. That's what a Nazi is.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Surely you don't think Germans now should keep apologizing for crimes from 80 years ago? In which case every country would be apologizing for all of their history wouldnt they?
I'm something of a Germanophile, inch liebe Deutchsland, and in my experience they are extremely aware of the grotesque crimes that happened in the past. More so than some countries tbh.
Nazi, fascist, far-right, etc., are all dual purpose attack vectors that are used to label and discredit opponents, which is wrong as it belittles their true meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You are correct that words should be used carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Sometimes they are used very loosely - which annoys me. Words have meanings. There may be some scope to argue over the meaning but in these cases (across the political and social spectrum) they are too often just adopted as labels of abuse.
However, you and James and the Tommy Hipster (and Life On Mars when he was with us) go to the other extreme - and (Musk-like) deny any validity to thoughtfully used words that define political ideology or practice. You gut the language of meaning by denial instead of over-use. Just as bad!
Rightly or wrongly, Musk is addressing the German people because he thinks the only other outcome will be a totalitarian AI surveillance state, and yes, it really is that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
BTW, if you mean Russia collusion, Hunter Biden Laptop, and the wet market covid origin, then I plead guilty!