Reply With QuoteNoOriginally Posted by JamesWales
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I saw an interesting cartoon the other day. It was a dying body called racism and a few left-wing people were around it giving it CPR.
There's some truth in that cartoon isn't there?
No
Sounds like youre playing it down as it doesnt suit the agenda, despite it being well documented on previous news reports.
Hmm, not so sure on that.
What is the agenda?
I think the Bishop at the inauguration church service said it all.
But I cannot support these off the top of my head:
Withdrawal from WHO
Withdrawal from the Paris agreement
Scrapping EDI policies
Policy on free speech that facilitates misinformation and hatred
Oh, and not to mention those pardons for the "J6 hostages"
This points you have raised are in respect of a leader of another country though so why get so entangled in another countries affairs as it doesn’t affect the UK.
How much use is the WHO ?
What is wrong with withdrawing from yet another useless climate change policy?
EDI policy is wrong but it’s not us
How much misinformation does our own government give out ?
Pardons for J6 not great but our own government continues to support other regimes that are doing the same
Except it does though thanks to our "special relationship" with the good, old, US of A, especially as they seem to be taking a lot of interest in our politics lately. As we are an ally, we are seen as complicit in a lot of their actions by the rest of the world. It's time to keep our distance.
How should we keep our distance? And who should we get closer to as a result?
Wasn't Rachel Reeves getting closer to China only last week?
That looked like a 'hedging your bets' move before Trump settled in his throne.
Anyone getting their knickers in a twist about Trump...just wait until they hear China gets up to..
We could stop the selling of arms to Israel, which in turn would also send a message to the US and the rest of the world.
And get closer to Europe instead of course. There's a reason why the EU was a good thing.
We have a free trade deal with the EU.
What do you want? Them to determine our laws again?
That seems a strange move given we apparently have a far-right govt in Italy, Poland and Hungary and another about to come into place in Austria and the EU parliament has been Conservative led for 20 years. Why would someone fearful of the US presidents supposed influence want to grant real power to those?
Maybe because it would 'grant real power' to the UK to influence the future direction of Europe? If not the UK government, then parts of UK civil society and NGOs.
'They' didn't do to us in the EU. 'We' did to us and to 'them'. It is a two-way street. If only you had a more balanced view of the world James, you would see that.
As an aside the only two 'western' leaders of major states to take part in Cop 29 in Baku were Kier Starmer and Giorgia Meloni. She is certainly the head of one of Europe's right wing governments, but despite her roots in the politics of Mussolini she is not in lock step with Trump on climate - nor on some other big issues.
I didnt say we had no influence over the EU. We did. But they had more influence over us. I am balanced on it, I was pondering where people outraged at Trump would have us go? One suggestion is China (which has a far worse human rights record even if no one cares about that anymore) and the EU, which closer ties would almost certainly mean ceding power to them over our laws. It's not very logical.
Our laws are set by us now. A left of centre govt elected by the British people. What's to object to?
Talking of environmental issues, this is an interesting topic;
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce323q4kej1o
You are right on Meloni, but she was never far-right to begin with. That was just more clickbait crap that unfortunately we see a lot of now.
USA vs EU is la grande exprience as their policies are now becoming polar opposites, so maybe we should be hedging our bets before diving in?
what is a nazi? kellie jay keen , j k rowling, tommy robinson both nazi and zionist , the rev calvin robinson , the list of nazis is endless and meaningless
FYP
Did Robinson just do a Nazi salute after his goal ?
Musk? He is just a bundle of non-Nazi laughs he is!
musk tweet nazi.jpg
That's quite concerning really, isn't it?
He’s a Zionist with strong links to Israel , surley if he was a Nazi , this wouldn’t be the case would it
Anyone fancy doing Musks gesture a few times over in the middle of town or in their workplace?
If not, why not?
Why wouldn’t it?He’s a Zionist with strong links to Israel , surley if he was a Nazi , this wouldn’t be the case would it
The world is full of anti Semites (some of them neo-Nazis) who have strong links to Israel and claim to be Zionists.
Try Viktor Orban, the Afrikaans leadership of apartheid South Africa, Tommy Robinson or the US white supremacist Richard Spencer (who describes himself as a White Zionist).
Zionists are mainly not Jewish. Many Jewish people are anti Zionist (and the % is growing again - especially in the USA).
Since long before the Balfour Declaration European and American anti Semites have supported the Zionist project - to remove Jews from their towns and cities, for strategic political reasons (a client state in the Middle East) or because they are Old Testament literalists who have a racist and reactionary view of their deity’s supposed deal with his chosen people.
The political right support Israel and Musk is totally at home in that toxic place.
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