FT: IPSWICH TOWN 3 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad

I missed the first 60. Working. All I saw was completely out thought and out run by the opposition. Ramsay shocking.

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The first 50 was nothing like that.

The rest is on Bulut.

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Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad

I missed the first 60. Working. All I saw was completely out thought and out run by the opposition. Ramsay shocking.

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We were decent up to 2-0 as was Ramsey.

We played really well in the 1st half, a cause for much optimism. However, we often played well under Morison without winning. The only difference is that we can now score goals, but is this is down to having greater quality in midfield and upfront rather than the coaching?

Two huge mistakes during the game; taking Tanner off (he may have been injured) and the switch of formation. But that has already been pointed out in this thread numerous times.

But also, I don't understand the dropping of Alnwick. Regardless of Runnarsson's performance, what type of leadership is it to drop a bloke who waited 12 months, patiently, for his chance without complaining and then when he had his chance he has simply been outstanding. I don't see that his selection of Runnarsson as being 'brave', 'strong' or 'ruthless'; as a leader and figurehead I see it as disloyal and lacking in integrity. It would be different if Runnarsson had been at the club for three seasons or so and had been proven to be a top player. Although, I am happy to accept that Runnarsson might be the better goalie but the change was wrong and sent out the wrong message to the whole of the playing staff. You can't demand loyalty if you don't show it yourself.

One final bitch, why three holding midfielders on the bench? Under what circumstances could all three possibly be used? Someone like Keiron Evans would have been extremely handy coming off the bench in the final quarter. We had no-one on the pitch who was a natural crosser of the goal. Surely the extra spaces on the bench should be used to give attacking options and variety.

An observation on individual performances is that Goutas is still unconvincing, his performances have been in-line with his playing CV.

The evidence of the start of the season is that Bulet can coach, but his tactical awareness and management style appear to be lacking. He comes a bit up himself trying to be too clever. He appears to see himself as Brian Clough or Jose Mourinho, but might be just a cocky version of Avram Grant!

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Originally Posted by Hilts

We started the 2nd half well. Id love to know why Ugbo came on though. Looks a complete passenger.

Complete mis management of this game. Ipswich are mid table at best weve thrown the game away.

To concede 3 this easy is very worrying. Not convinced at all by Siopis or Goutas. But theres also been positive play. Its going to be a tough battle to stay up though.

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I have a feeling it's going to harder than last season.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

We were decent up to 2-0 as was Ramsey.

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I’d say we were good for that first hour, but Bulut gave Ipswich a sniff with his tactics and changes and you’re asking for trouble when you do that to a team that is used to winning.

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Originally Posted by AdrianAlston

We played really well in the 1st half, a cause for much optimism. However, we often played well under Morison without winning. The only difference is that we can now score goals, but is this is down to having greater quality in midfield and upfront rather than the coaching?

Two huge mistakes during the game; taking Tanner off (he may have been injured) and the switch of formation. But that has already been pointed out in this thread numerous times.

But also, I don't understand the dropping of Alnwick. Regardless of Runnarsson's performance, what type of leadership is it to drop a bloke who waited 12 months, patiently, for his chance without complaining and then when he had his chance he has simply been outstanding. I don't see that his selection of Runnarsson as being 'brave', 'strong' or 'ruthless'; as a leader and figurehead I see it as disloyal and lacking in integrity. It would be different if Runnarsson had been at the club for three seasons or so and had been proven to be a top player. Although, I am happy to accept that Runnarsson might be the better goalie but the change was wrong and sent out the wrong message to the whole of the playing staff. You can't demand loyalty if you don't show it yourself.

One final bitch, why three holding midfielders on the bench? Under what circumstances could all three possibly be used? Someone like Keiron Evans would have been extremely handy coming off the bench in the final quarter. We had no-one on the pitch who was a natural crosser of the goal. Surely the extra spaces on the bench should be used to give attacking options and variety.

An observation on individual performances is that Goutas is still unconvincing, his performances have been in-line with his playing CV.

The evidence of the start of the season is that Bulet can coach, but his tactical awareness and management style appear to be lacking. He comes a bit up himself trying to be too clever. He appears to see himself as Brian Clough or Jose Mourinho, but might be just a cocky version of Avram Grant!

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Agree re. the dropping of Alnwick - that'll go down well in the dressing room. So far singularly unimpressed with his signings. Has he underestimated the Championship ?

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Originally Posted by AdrianAlston

We played really well in the 1st half, a cause for much optimism. However, we often played well under Morison without winning. The only difference is that we can now score goals, but is this is down to having greater quality in midfield and upfront rather than the coaching?

Two huge mistakes during the game; taking Tanner off (he may have been injured) and the switch of formation. But that has already been pointed out in this thread numerous times.

But also, I don't understand the dropping of Alnwick. Regardless of Runnarsson's performance, what type of leadership is it to drop a bloke who waited 12 months, patiently, for his chance without complaining and then when he had his chance he has simply been outstanding. I don't see that his selection of Runnarsson as being 'brave', 'strong' or 'ruthless'; as a leader and figurehead I see it as disloyal and lacking in integrity. It would be different if Runnarsson had been at the club for three seasons or so and had been proven to be a top player. Although, I am happy to accept that Runnarsson might be the better goalie but the change was wrong and sent out the wrong message to the whole of the playing staff. You can't demand loyalty if you don't show it yourself.

One final bitch, why three holding midfielders on the bench? Under what circumstances could all three possibly be used? Someone like Keiron Evans would have been extremely handy coming off the bench in the final quarter. We had no-one on the pitch who was a natural crosser of the goal. Surely the extra spaces on the bench should be used to give attacking options and variety.

An observation on individual performances is that Goutas is still unconvincing, his performances have been in-line with his playing CV.

The evidence of the start of the season is that Bulet can coach, but his tactical awareness and management style appear to be lacking. He comes a bit up himself trying to be too clever. He appears to see himself as Brian Clough or Jose Mourinho, but might be just a cocky version of Avram Grant!

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Totally agree....why take Tanner and Ralls off when they were buzzing.....and Alnwick on today's performance is a better keeper. I would ahve kept the Tanner/Colwill/Evans potential. Not Bulut's greatest performance....

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I’d say we were good for that first hour, but Bulut gave Ipswich a sniff with his tactics and changes and you’re asking for trouble when you do that to a team that is used to winning.

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The changes didn’t help I agree but absolving the players for yet another shocking capitulation isn’t right either.

They have to take some responsibility for another failure of the type that you MIGHT be unfortunate enough to witness once in a season.

Not having a go, but people were saying this is the best window we've had for many years. i personally wasn't excited about any of them apart fro Ramsey. They must improve and they must start to fight and battle. I'm tired of watching this team just give up

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

Not having a go, but people were saying this is the best window we've had for many years. i personally wasn't excited about any of them apart fro Ramsey. They must improve and they must start to fight and battle. I'm tired of watching this team just give up

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Were they ? I think Dalman's hype along with the media certainly gave that impression but the general consensus among those who I go to the game with think we're just a poor team plus Ramsey.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

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I have a feeling it's going to harder than last season.

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It won't be.

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

Not having a go, but people were saying this is the best window we've had for many years. i personally wasn't excited about any of them apart fro Ramsey. They must improve and they must start to fight and battle. I'm tired of watching this team just give up

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Anyone saying its the best window for years has lost the plot.

However there were encouraging performances from Grant , Tanner Collins and some decent football.

There were some appalling tactical decisions by our manager though and some worrying performances Ugbo in particular.

Tanner being subbed was one thing but Ralls as well???

Id never heard of Bulut before he was appointed.

Is he anywhere near Championship material as a manager and how long is he given?

Lets see where we are after 10 games.

That was a disaster of a game from our manager though.

Are you lot actually mentally retarded?

We have played away against 3/4 of the favourites to win the league and were highly competitive/the better team for decent spells in all 3.

Sucks to not get the points but after the past few years of utter dross if you can't have faith after those performances then its probably time to give up.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Are you lot actually mentally retarded?

We have played away against 3/4 of the favourites to win the league and were highly competitive/the better team for decent spells in all 3.

Sucks to not get the points but after the past few years of utter dross if you can't have faith after those performances then its probably time to give up.

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yes, massive overreaction here. we played well for significant portions of the match.ade some big mistakes but better than just not turning up.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Are you lot actually mentally retarded?

We have played away against 3/4 of the favourites to win the league and were highly competitive/the better team for decent spells in all 3.

Sucks to not get the points but after the past few years of utter dross if you can't have faith after those performances then its probably time to give up.

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The fact of losing is not the point, if’s the way and why, substitutions, change of tactics and formation by someone who doesn’t appear to convinced in the players he has at his disposal.. shockingly poor Management.

Defending is an ultimate skill, one mistake your team could be done, strikers who miss goals can get away with it, our lads need to just do the day job.

Watch videos of Morison ,Hudson,Pelts, Super Kev , Gabs ,Bell Dwyer ,for best tips

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

The fact of losing is not the point, if’s the way and why, substitutions, change of tactics and formation by someone who doesn’t appear to convinced in the players he has at his disposal.. shockingly poor Management.

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Spot on

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Originally Posted by AdrianAlston

We played really well in the 1st half, a cause for much optimism. However, we often played well under Morison without winning. The only difference is that we can now score goals, but is this is down to having greater quality in midfield and upfront rather than the coaching?

Two huge mistakes during the game; taking Tanner off (he may have been injured) and the switch of formation. But that has already been pointed out in this thread numerous times.

But also, I don't understand the dropping of Alnwick. Regardless of Runnarsson's performance, what type of leadership is it to drop a bloke who waited 12 months, patiently, for his chance without complaining and then when he had his chance he has simply been outstanding. I don't see that his selection of Runnarsson as being 'brave', 'strong' or 'ruthless'; as a leader and figurehead I see it as disloyal and lacking in integrity. It would be different if Runnarsson had been at the club for three seasons or so and had been proven to be a top player. Although, I am happy to accept that Runnarsson might be the better goalie but the change was wrong and sent out the wrong message to the whole of the playing staff. You can't demand loyalty if you don't show it yourself.

One final bitch, why three holding midfielders on the bench? Under what circumstances could all three possibly be used? Someone like Keiron Evans would have been extremely handy coming off the bench in the final quarter. We had no-one on the pitch who was a natural crosser of the goal. Surely the extra spaces on the bench should be used to give attacking options and variety.

An observation on individual performances is that Goutas is still unconvincing, his performances have been in-line with his playing CV.

The evidence of the start of the season is that Bulet can coach, but his tactical awareness and management style appear to be lacking. He comes a bit up himself trying to be too clever. He appears to see himself as Brian Clough or Jose Mourinho, but might be just a cocky version of Avram Grant!

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

The fact of losing is not the point, if’s the way and why, substitutions, change of tactics and formation by someone who doesn’t appear to convinced in the players he has at his disposal.. shockingly poor Management.

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So what was the score in the crystal ball where he didn't make subs or change tactics? There is a pretty good reason why he's a football manager and we all work 9-5s, it's because none of us actually have a clue what we are talking about.

If it keeps happening then fine but we are a few games in..

Just looking at Brighton's first goal.....rebounds off the keeper....looks to me as if Brighton player is behind the Newcastle defence....goal given.....
Very similar to City's disallowed goal in similar circumstances....

Very disappointing defensive changes and subs. Bulut has to take the blame for today,

Our first goal was top drawer. To say we’ll struggle more than last season is way off for me. You can see the progress being made, just need to cut out errors, and hold onto leads. I think we’ll improve.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Are you lot actually mentally retarded?

We have played away against 3/4 of the favourites to win the league and were highly competitive/the better team for decent spells in all 3.

Sucks to not get the points but after the past few years of utter dross if you can't have faith after those performances then it’s probably time to give up.

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I think that ignoring the facts that are now staring us in the face is generally considered as naive and irresponsible, to put it diplomatically. And not just the odd data point now….

And weren’t Ipswich in the league below us last season?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

So what was the score in the crystal ball where he didn't make subs or change tactics? There is a pretty good reason why he's a football manager and we all work 9-5s, it's because none of us actually have a clue what we are talking about.

If it keeps happening then fine but we are a few games in..

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He seems to not know what to do after about 60 minutes.

I wasnt able to follow the game but caught up at 2-0. Pretty shocked to find it 3-2 loss.
Have only seen City's first goal which was good.
Not sure what happened last 20 mins but there is a pattern. The manager has to be given time, but we dont want these implossions to be happening too often.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

So what was the score in the crystal ball where he didn't make subs or change tactics? There is a pretty good reason why he's a football manager and we all work 9-5s, it's because none of us actually have a clue what we are talking about.

If it keeps happening then fine but we are a few games in..

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Ok hes a manager. We are clueless. Should be 2 up at half time after Tanner putting it on a plate for Meite.

Why change at half time and why sub Ralls.?

Why feck with the formation.?

Why when 2 up are we playing 2 yard goal kicks to players uncomfortable on the ball?

This wasnt Ipswich suddenly turning on the style it was a complete gift for them.

So we dont question the man in charge of todays shambles who virtually all of us had never heard of prior to his appointment.

And I say question. He deserves time but today was largely on him.

Ipswich im sure were not 1 of the promotion favs and I doubt they will be top 10.

Ipswich Town manager Kieran McKenna:

"We said we can't win every week but we promised we'd give the fans a team that would have a go, be brave and fight to the last minute. I think the boys showed that today and it's a great way to win a game.

"I know they will keep going. Some days you get a bit of luck and it goes your way, some days it won't.

"There are lessons to take from the first half for sure. It was a different type of game to what we have faced so far.

"We are stepping up to a much higher level. We are going to go behind in games. If the fans see the players running hard and trying to win games, I expect the fans to stay with us."

Cardiff manager Erol Bulut:

"When you lead 2-0, you don't have to give it away. We have to be more disciplined.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...-Match%20Stats

"Two goals we receive a little bit unluckily - the second one and third one. But we had also enough chances to finish the game. First half we had the chances, second half we had the chances.

"I said to my team, we want to keep the ball, we train always for this. Then we have to move and fight for this. It's not enough.

"Positives we have of course. The transition from defence to offence was great in the first half. Second half we had chances. But for me, defence starts up front. Against the ball we have to work much more aggressively and not lose our discipline."

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

He seems to not know what to do after about 60 minutes.

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I don't think I have ever come on this board after a loss and seen 'unfortunate loss that, the manager made the right subs', that should tell you exactly what you need to know about the comments in this thread.

I haven't seen the game yet - just listened to the club commentary and watched Matt Murray - but the clear view from most is that Bulut made mistakes with subs and shape and going defensive after they scored. A few fingers pointed at the players, but mostly the manager.

Interesting then to see Bulut not taking responsibility for the collapse, but blaming a lack of discipline by the team.

I have been quite impressed with him so far - but not with that reaction.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Ipswich im sure were not 1 of the promotion favs and I doubt they will be top 10.

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Sky Bet Championship 23/24 winner odds (via Sky Bet)
4/1 - Leicester
11/2 - Leeds
7/1 - Southampton
10/1 - Middlesbrough
12/1 - Ipswich
16/1 - Norwich
Odds correct as of 1100 (21/07/23)

https://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...-season/210844

Passing the buck

When you lead 2-0, you don't have to give it away. We have to be more disciplined.

"Two goals we receive a little bit unluckily - the second one and third one. But we had also enough chances to finish the game. First half we had the chances, second half we had the chances.

"I said to my team, we want to keep the ball, we train always for this. Then we have to move and fight for this. It's not enough.

"Positives we have of course. The transition from defence to offence was great in the first half. Second half we had chances. But for me, defence starts up front. Against the ball we have to work much more aggressively and not lose our discipline."

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Ipswich Town manager Kieran McKenna:

"We said we can't win every week but we promised we'd give the fans a team that would have a go, be brave and fight to the last minute. I think the boys showed that today and it's a great way to win a game.

"I know they will keep going. Some days you get a bit of luck and it goes your way, some days it won't.

"There are lessons to take from the first half for sure. It was a different type of game to what we have faced so far.

"We are stepping up to a much higher level. We are going to go behind in games. If the fans see the players running hard and trying to win games, I expect the fans to stay with us."

Cardiff manager Erol Bulut:

"When you lead 2-0, you don't have to give it away. We have to be more disciplined.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...-Match%20Stats

"Two goals we receive a little bit unluckily - the second one and third one. But we had also enough chances to finish the game. First half we had the chances, second half we had the chances.

"I said to my team, we want to keep the ball, we train always for this. Then we have to move and fight for this. It's not enough.

"Positives we have of course. The transition from defence to offence was great in the first half. Second half we had chances. But for me, defence starts up front. Against the ball we have to work much more aggressively and not lose our discipline."

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Well I think the reaction on here is ott but he deffo needs to face up to poor tactics rather than blame the team who in certain areas need replacing

Bonkers.

Not satisfied with Tanner who just before the break puts it on a plate for Meite.

Great for his confidence.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...bulut-27641908

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Bonkers.

Not satisfied with Tanner who just before the break puts it on a plate for Meite.

Great for his confidence.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...bulut-27641908

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Generally not happy with tanners performance ?

He's got to be specific

And it seems he did OK.....generally

A hugely disappointing result but really good football played today in parts. It's such early days, everyone needs to click and it's happening to a great extent but still improvements are needed. That goes for the manager too.

I still feel positive about this season and I hope Tanner gets s good run in the team.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Generally not happy with tanners performance ?

He's got to be specific

And it seems he did OK.....generally

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Tanner did well as did the whole team first half. Hes obviously going to be inconsistent. Hes young learning at this level but hes quick direct tracked back and should have had an assist to his name.

Buluts replacement offered nothing.

This criticism is another bad addition to a bad day for Bulut.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Bonkers.

Not satisfied with Tanner who just before the break puts it on a plate for Meite.

Great for his confidence.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...bulut-27641908

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Early days but, time for Bulut to get the bullet. He seems the type to blame everything and everyone else. The buck stops with him.

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

Early days but, time for Bulut to get the bullet. He seems the type to blame everything and everyone else. The buck stops with him.

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You daft twat 😂

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Tanner did well as did the whole team first half. Hes obviously going to be inconsistent. Hes young learning at this level but hes quick direct tracked back and should have had an assist to his name.

Buluts replacement offered nothing.

This criticism is another bad addition to a bad day for Bulut.

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Well hopefully he takes responsibility

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well hopefully he takes responsibility

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Judging by his interview hes not.