So when we had the Soul Crew rampaging through every town and city, we should have banned all the genuine city fans from away games in case they got caught up in the trouble.?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote
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So when we had the Soul Crew rampaging through every town and city, we should have banned all the genuine city fans from away games in case they got caught up in the trouble.?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote
Do you know anyone who’s more outraged by the suffering of a bunch of football fans than a genocide?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Last I checked, the Soul Crew had no close associations to a genocide.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Tommy Robinson and his hundreds of thousands of supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
You really are becoming a bit confused and messed up about all this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote
Do you think every Jew, especially every Maccabi fan supports genocide? Do you think anyone who’s against the away fan ban for the Villa game supports genocide.?
As for Tommy and his mob, they hate anyone that’s not white and always have.
I’ve said many times on here, I’m against punishing the majority for the crimes of the minority. It’s the easiest and laziest solution for the authorities.
TLG. It appears Coyote is now your spokesman. I should have clarified my question. Do you know anyone personally that is more outraged by the suffering of a bunch of football fans than a genocide.?, or do you feel any member of this MB is ?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Yes. And yes. Thanks for your interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
There are plenty of people who think that what is happening to the Palestinian people is justified, probably one or two, or three on here. You don't have to know them personally in order to call it out. If so, I suggest you stop having any thoughts or opinions on other people unless you openly know someone who thinks in a certain way, so that you have the evidence at hand. Jesus......Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Jesus won’t help you Tuerto. He probably doesn’t exist, and probably never has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Anyone who thinks what’s happened to Palestinians is justified, is sick in the mind.
There are lots of folk, me included, that disagree with the blanket banning of all away fans for the Villa game. but find the treatment of the Palestinians disgraceful.
I’ll say it again, the authorities need to weed out the racists and nutters and ban them for life. That way genuine football fans will not be punished.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...villa-park-ban
Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters were banned from watching their game against Aston Villa after police intelligence concluded the biggest risk of violence came from extremist fans of the Israeli club.
The ban ignited an intense controversy and was criticised by the prime minister, as well as others claiming it was a surrender to antisemitism.
The police assessment led to the fixture on 6 November at Villa Park in Birmingham being classed as high risk. The intelligence and risk assessments that led to that conclusion and ban have not been made public.
But sources with knowledge of the details of the intelligence and risk assessments have told the Guardian that the Maccabi fans were considered likely to be the perpetrators of trouble.
According to sources, police intelligence said:
- Scores of extreme Maccabi fans with a past history of violence and shouting “racist taunts” were expected to travel to the Birmingham game.
- Dutch police told their British counterparts that the Maccabi fans had instigated trouble in Amsterdam at a game last year.
- They had randomly picked Muslims in Amsterdam to attack. That led to reprisal violence with some Dutch Jews attacked.
- A huge Dutch police effort, involving 5,000 officers across three days, was needed to quell the trouble.
- A community impact assessment by West Midlands police recorded that some Jewish people wanted the Maccabi fans banned because of the trouble that might ensue if they attended.
- Any trouble started by Maccabi fans attending the Birmingham game could lead to reprisals from local people and further trouble.
- The process did not consider whether the ban on fans of the Israeli club could be criticised as antisemitic itself or surrendering to antisemitism.
The ban on Maccabi fans was made by Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group. It was decided after an intelligence assessment was conducted by West Midlands police, shared with the national UK football policing unit.
The UK football policing unit is understood to have backed the conclusions reached by local police.
The Home Office were told of the assessment five days before it was made public.
Then Starmer, Phillipson, Nandy and the rest (followed by Badenoch, Farage and Davey) - backed by most of the press - made out this was all in response to an anti-Semitic threat of violence towards racist Maccabi thugs!
It was the opposite!
What a shameful and twisted episode - one that exposes the dishonesty and corruption of UK politicians and media.
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Originally Posted by jon1959
And you still have people criticising the ban on here in previous days to fall in line :hehe: I miss the days of critical thinking.
Said it before and will say it again no wonder we are heading for a reform government, the vast majority of people in the country are unable to think for themselves
Or maybe they are fed up to the back teeth of consecutive Labour and Conservative governments putting in absolute abysmal performances, lying, going back on manifesto promises and putting the whole of the UK in trillions of debt, whilst running the place into the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
I’d also add that you are hardly a beacon of shining light when it comes to folk thinking for themselves, when you can’t even grasp the idea that some City fans also choose to follow a local team as well.
Sorry, I don't engage with reform voting tommy robinson wannabee flag shagging scumbagsQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Go paint a roundabout
"putting in absolute abysmal performances, lying, going back on manifesto promises..."Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2844223.html
I don't know about that Will? Farage & Co seem well on script to say anything they think people want to hear like the other two sets of self serving cuunts.
Just as well you’ve chosen to engage with me instead then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
That’s correct. British politics is going down the plug hole. A race to the bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Why are you people so unhinged about the union flag?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
I've seen videos where people at protests are questioning why others there have a union flag on their bag, in the UK. As it's racist apparently. It's insanity.
Just off to tie a couple near the Birch for you! Don't beat me up!!
The reality is that people like you spawn the people you profess to dislike by coming up with divisive and ignorant comments like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
The irony on the flag shagging comment in this case is not lost too, given one of the cited examples of trouble that Maccabi fans did in Amsterdam was pulling down a Palestine flag. Why is being enraged at that to be applauded, whereas merely displaying your own national flag in your own country so looked down upon by the same people?
Unhinged is certainly one word for it.
Incredible, isn't it? There have always been loads of Union Jacks hanging from lampposts and bridges all over the UK. What's happening now has been happening for decades. It's a completely normal situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
Oh, hang on a minute...
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Originally Posted by JamesWales
He spawns the people he dislikes? What is he, a massive human/frog hybrid?
He may well be! It's a lovely image too, but alas, I was speaking figuratively on this occasion!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Union Flag, England Flag, even the Welsh flag now is all being dragged into it. We all know why they are being hung on motorway bridges, being put up on lampposts etc - let's not play silly games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
I haven't lived in Cardiff for a while now so save your time and take them somewhere else if you're looking to intimidate people.
You may find they are being displayed, like all flags, for a variety of different reasons and interpreted by different people for a variety of different reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
Why do you think they are being displayed?
It's new, I'll grant you that. It's sociologically interesting, but I think they are displayed for several different reasons.
Don't even have to respond to this as I see TLG has already responded to a similar pathetic post. If you can't see (or more likely choose not to see) the connotations behind the flags being put up all over the UK, the impact it has on minorities and the bravado and courage it gives pack mentality scumbags to act like they do then I don't have any real interest in engaging with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
There's a reason I stay away from the politics board on here but whenever it has spilled over into the football forum it's always pretty easy to see what type of person you are.
Why are you saying that minorities aren't represented by the Union Flag, the English flag, the Welsh flag etc? They are.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
That's my issue. Your argument that it doesn't represent them has far deeper and longer term consequences. Its a far more divisive stance than someone putting up a flag.
The argument to push, in my opinion, is that the flag *does* represent everyone.
All emblems come with history, associations and with baggage. A flag is not just a flag - it is a statement too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
The Union Flag (The Butcher's Apron) and the St George's Cross (NF, BNP, EDL) more than most.
My attitude to those flags (and others) would change if the associations changed. I am neutral or even positive about most emblems and flags - depending on how they are used. There is one with white at the top, green at the bottom, and big red dragon in the middle that I really like!
Yvette Cooper is leading the way. She has UK and England flags on he shed (3 of them!), an England flag table cloth, curtains, lamp shades and duvet covers and pillow cases. Underwear of course. And a massive 'Ingerlund' tattoo around her neck.