Sent out to Trust members this morning.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Its a thread for CCFC Trust members and as of today I am one.

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Shame it took you so long. The curse of having a few teams to follow

Just joined.

Just one of those things where I had never really been too aware or maybe interested in what the trust did. Didn't know it would take only a few minutes to join and cost only 12 quid a year.

Maybe all this (whatever it was) will ultimately be good advertising for the Trust.

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Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub

You have regularly criticised the low membership of the trust. Who is that aimed at? Trust volunteers I would assume rather than supporters who have not signed up. In a long post earlier in the thread you mentioned that “apparently” lots of people now call it the Keith Morgan show. I have not heard anyone in or out of the trust mention this apart from certain individuals (and the same phrase is now being used by Daya on X to whip up him and AA’s followers).

The post I replied to you also managed to change the subject to the membership numbers again (despite it being clarified earlier in this thread it is in line with clubs of our size which you chose to ignore).

Then you are straight in clarifying AA was an original member as if this was relevant to anything. You are not thick as far as I’m aware, you know what you are doing.

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Absolutely none of what you have described is 'sniping at volunteers', and you'd have to be especially precious to believe it was. Also, some elements you've quoted are inaccurate. I didn't say 'lots of people call it the Keith Morgan show'. That was my own turn of phrase and merely my interpretation of how some apparently now people view the Trust. I was going to say if that offended anybody then I apologise, but I know it won't have offended Keith, so if anyone else was offended then so be it.

Based on what I've heard and read in recent weeks, I believe the Trust could do with a shake-up - some new faces on the board, a significant increase in membership numbers and maybe a slight change of direction. If it got those things, I'd be tempted to sign up again despite my misgivings about City's fanbase as an entity, but I don't think it will. By saying that, I'm not 'sniping at volunteers'. I'm simply giving my opinions, as everyone else is on this thread. If you or anyone else doesn't like those opinions, then tough luck.

Incidentally, you said I chose to ignore the clarification earlier in this thread that a membership level of 350 is in line with clubs of our size, which is correct - I did choose to ignore it because I think it's a cop-out which gives the impression of people being comfortable with such a low number when I doubt they are. The fact is at the end of its first year in 2009, the Trust had approximately 650 members, and I'm almost certain the number increased following the publication of the first issue of Moving to a Different Beat. I remember the goal was to have at least a thousand members, although I doubt we ever got there. To be honest, I couldn't care less about the membership numbers at other clubs, I think it's irrelevant. I simply believe 350 is a low number for Cardiff City.

As for AA being an original member, I think it's relevant even if you don't. This is not a case of a big bad wolf who has never been a member arriving out of nowhere. He was a member at the Trust's formation (or very soon after). That's just a fact. Remember all the problems he caused for the eleven-man and one-woman board back then? No, neither do I.

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Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub

Shame it took you so long. The curse of having a few teams to follow

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As far as I know , he follows Cardiff and Merthyr on occasions, whatÂ’s the issue with that , donÂ’t most people have a second choice team and pivot from time to time between the two ?

I follow Merthyr from time to time as itÂ’s a good day out.

I see you call yourself the birch grove pub , hob knobbing with the Babylon up there are you ?

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Originally Posted by Mr Ducie

As far as I know , he follows Cardiff and Merthyr on occasions, whatÂ’s the issue with that , donÂ’t most people have a second choice team and pivot from time to time between the two ?

I follow Merthyr from time to time as itÂ’s a good day out.

I see you call yourself the birch grove pub , hob knobbing with the Babylon up there are you ?

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I need his permission to watch my hometown club, 5 minutes walk from my house, as well as watch the City. Just like all these new trust members should have seeked his permission and disclosed their intentions before joining. The Birchgrove dictator got more in common with Tan than he cares to admit.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Its a thread for CCFC Trust members and as of today I am one.

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Someone must have paid your membership 😁

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Someone must have paid your membership 😁

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Sludge paid it for me. He’s flush, Double PIP week.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Sludge paid it for me. He’s flush, Double PIP week.

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No danger. Sludge turns the gas off to flip his bacon over !

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

No danger. Sludge turns the gas off to flip his bacon over !

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

No danger. Sludge turns the gas off to flip his bacon over !

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Brilliant :hehe:

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

No danger. Sludge turns the gas off to flip his bacon over !

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Is that a euphemism?

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Is that a euphemism?

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😂

So how are we planning on stopping this coup?

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Originally Posted by Natman Blue

So how are we planning on stopping this coup?

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Cmon now a flight radar flight was picked up which all but confirmed a massive takeover bid for Cardiff City. No questions were asked and change is needed.

Brilliant Hilts

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Cmon now a flight radar flight was picked up which all but confirmed a massive takeover bid for Cardiff City. No questions were asked and change is needed.

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😂😂😂

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I believe the catalyst for the recent upsurge in membership was this particular meeting with club officials and the subsequent report on the Trust’s website:

https://www.ccfctrust.org/cardiff-ci...alk-the-facts/

The Trust’s public statement that these are THE FACTS is apparently strongly disputed by a significant number of fans (or at least a significant number when the Trust’s membership levels are taken into consideration). Those people apparently believe these are merely ‘the facts’ as presented by Mehmet Dalman rather than being the actual truth.

Rightly or wrongly, there is a perception among some City supporters that the Trust is now effectively the Keith Morgan show, and Keith has become far too cosy with Messrs Dalman and Choo. It is apparently believed that Keith is now content to help promote the club’s public position on important issues such as the alleged takeover talks and the Sala litigation without proper scrutiny. It is also perceived that the Trust's board has made no effort in recent years to attract new members simply because the organisation’s hierarchy are content with the current status quo and the opportunities it presents to them on a personal level with regard to press coverage and attendance at meetings with club officials.

I should point out that these are not my personal opinions. I’ve known Keith for a long time, I have a good deal of respect for him and consider him a friend. I also know what a thankless task serving on the Trust board can be. However, I have noticed the tone of some of Keith’s contributions on CCMB in recent times seem to have changed a little, particularly where the legal case is concerned.

As regards the Trust itself, I was genuinely surprised to learn that there haven’t been any proper elections since 2019 and membership numbers dropped as low as 350. I don’t recall seeing any social media or leaflet campaigns aimed at attracting new members in recent years, so perhaps some of the criticisms I’ve mentioned above do have a degree of validity.

As far as I’m aware, the Trust has only ever had one female board member and she resigned in 2012 after threats from outside the organisation that followed her opposition to the rebrand. Since then, the Trust board has seemingly comprised entirely of middle-aged or retired men, so it could hardly be considered to be genuinely representative of the club’s wider fanbase. Under the circumstances, perhaps a shake-up and some new faces at board level wouldn’t be a bad thing.

Ever since we originally formed CCST, I’ve been telling anyone who’ll listen the same thing - instead of grizzling on social media about what the Trust does or doesn’t do from the outside, the way to go is to join the organisation and attempt to change it from the inside. The Trust isn’t a political party and it’s open for anyone to join, so I don’t see what harm a democratic election in the near future could possibly do and I don’t really understand why some people are seemingly so opposed to the idea. What are they afraid of?

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This was a joint supporters' groups statement Dave.
Spedger

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Originally Posted by Upthebluebirds

The Other Bob Wilson is correct. The Trust has always co-opted people onto its board to fill vacancies not filled at the AGM. In fact three new board members have joined since 2024.

Sixty or so people join the Trust in a very short time, 28 of them then immediately seek to force an early election of the suggests to me that there is a co-ordinated takeover bid underway which, if successfu,l would undermine the wide-ranging work of the board. It looks highly suspicious. Is it attempt to remove the chair who appears to have upset one individual?

Those 28 should withdraw their resolution, look to work with the board going forward, let see what they have to offer and then seek election to fill vacancies at the normal election time in the new year. And if they don't the suspicions will only grow and I hope Trust members will firmly reject their resolution.

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Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner. Post of the Day!
Spedger

If any non-members who are concerned about a 'faction' with 'an agenda' that they are suspicious of, then it would make sense to counterbalance the numbers by signing up.
Fir my partner, I will be re-joining the Trust after many years of absence.

Fir = For, of course.

Partner = part! Autocorrect!!!

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

If any non-members who are concerned about a 'faction' with 'an agenda' that they are suspicious of, then it would make sense to counterbalance the numbers by signing up.
Fir my partner, I will be re-joining the Trust after many years of absence.

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Joined for the first time

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Originally Posted by NinianKnight

Seems fair enough to me. Hope he is given a chance. BTW I am not a member of CCST but for a bazaar reason I have been a member of Clydebank FC Supporters Trust for 6 years. I don't know the exact membership number of CST but it is a lot more than 350.

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Not aware of the Clydebank numbers. But there's one major difference between the Clydbank Supporters Trust and Cardiff City's - the Clydebank Trust is the majorIty shareholder and will always be - therefore the fans have a massive stake in their club as they own it. So not surprising they might have more members.

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Originally Posted by Upthebluebirds

Not aware of the Clydebank numbers. But there's one major difference between the Clydbank Supporters Trust and Cardiff City's - the Clydebank Trust is the majorIty shareholder and will always be - therefore the fans have a massive stake in their club as they own it. So not surprising they might have more members.

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:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Sloop_Jon_Bee

This was a joint supporters' groups statement Dave.
Spedger

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All blowing smoke up Dalmans arse. Pathetic from the lot of them.