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Immigration is a big thing for lots of people in the UK. I'm not going to say whether that's right or wrong.
However, in 13 years of Tory government they've done nothing to address this. Brexit was fought largely over immigration, yet leaving the EU did nothing (as predicted) to address this.
Is immigration something that the political right have no desire to do anything about but want to use to gain votes?
Currently Eric immigration is the only bullet left in their armoury.Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
It's a convenient one though as they can point to the swarm of immigrants being the cause of a lack of housing, rising costs, criminality and a creaking NHS.
Some knobheads will believe it all too.
Haven't we shipped off all these scrounging illegal immigrants to Rwanda or wherever?
P.S.
The UK is experiencing a shortage of workers. I wonder what may have caused that?
Covid, millions retired and went part time, along to a lesser extent with Brexit cheap labour workers going back home to the EU.
Almost everybody is cheap labour in the UK economy. I earn the median full time wage and its a struggle to live on as a single person who wants some semblance of a life and a bit of dignity. All these tropes and memes of 15 years ago no longer work because half of the countries that people used to move to the UK from have closed the gap.
It's a cycle the UK economy has got used to cheap labour, they could always coax people from the EU, one thing to come out of Brexit is the power of the workers and unions, they wouldn't have had all the recent strikes and forced wage increases if employers could have brought in cheaper overseas workers from the EU.
Unfortunately, that has happened in the care industry, we seem to have given up and let people stay at home on the dole because they don't fancy care workers jobs and ported foreign workers on less wages than Europeans.
A genuine concern about population and the effect of an increase on housing , NHS etc is fine
Unfortunately there are a lot of daft racists in this country who don't like brown people
And the tory party is their natural home
The real nutters join reform
Immigration is a really important topic everywhere. It's not just the UK, and that's understandably so as it impacts nearly every facet of life (cultural, economic, social etc) in both positive and negative ways.
Brexit has changed it. In theory it means people must meet certain criteria to qualify under a points based system. I think that's a good thing if done right, although like everything, it's not perfect.
It is ironic that despite these greater controls, immigration has soared in the last few years. In fairness some of that was probably a natural backlog from the Covid year(s) when no one much moved anywhere.
Personally I think it's at a wholly unsustainable level and needs bringing down. It seems it's the student visas that are the biggest increases.
Overall immigration is a positive thing but there is a level at which it tilts over into creating more negative issues. I think everyone would agree with that - no one doubts that 1 person a year is fine or 1million a week is not..so it's about where the line is drawn.
But surely the Conservatives cannot claim to be the party to sort out immigration when they've failed to do so in 13 years and, hopefully, people will see through this.
100% they've made a total mess of it!
Who do you blame for the 13 years previous to that ? when Tony and Gordon were in power
As far as I'm concerned, after 13 years, everything wrong with the UK is entirely down to the Tories, pretty much the same as when Labour were in power for 13 years when they could no longer blame Thatcher.
In a way you are essentially saying what I have said for years on here and the reason I do not vote, there is no red or blue party, even orange or green for that matter, whoever gets elected are just a branch of the uniparty and serve the unelected bodies above them who dictate world policy. Divided you are weak, together you are strong.
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And what happened then was that people showed their disapproval of what happened in 2008, and to an extent the Gulf War, by voting Labour out. With studies galore showing that the average working person has got poorer since 2010, the richest have got richer, food bank use has exploded, the NHS slipped into crisis and life expectancy went down in the years before Covid, why do you consistently choose to defend the party who have been in power during that time?
It also 'exploded' in socialist France - much more so (3 times more) than the UK
1984 France introduced food banks - 1997 in the UK. France turns over the 3 times as much in their food banks than the UK does - with a similar sized population..... whose fault is that ?
ps re 13 years - we have 26 years of Labour in the Welsh Assembly.... happy about that are you ?
Students who don't even take the course, bringing in their families, either immediately or at later dates, and care workers doing the same, they don't add value as they pay no or little tax but take out ten times more in services.
Farming and fruit picking look like the next big loophole the country has got too used to cheap foreign labour and too many politician's mates friends and families are making a fortune, so are in no rush to stop the loopholes.
Read that again, slowly.
We need a proper points system and all loopholes closed, of course it can add great value but is being abused and the rate of abuse is increasing rapidly, both parties need to get a grip of it and agree to turn the tide.
I hope so but I wouldn't bet on it
The people .....are basically stupid
I don't disagree. They should have worked far harder to reduce it and explain the benefits of that
Instead all they've done is stoke up people's fears and insecurities to create a bigger problem than actually exists. As a result, we've seen racism on the increase.
The usual areas the tories like to steer the public conversation towards are not looking good for them:
Law and Order - crime, violent crime, shoplifting, sex crime all increasing significantly since 2015
the economy - has stagnated under the tories, we are dropping further behind similar countries in Europe and many people are struggling.
immigration - has been rising steadily under the tories, and increasing quickly in the last year or so - especially immigration from non eu sources. The number of asylum seekers waiting for their claims to be processed has increased ten fold in a decade.
It's hard to see where they have a leg to stand on on any of those topics, let alone other areas they aren't traditionally strong on- so they will probably try to raise the "culture war" style issues - trans rights etc and i expect them to strt pushing that strongly - either that or declare war on someone.
Newport ?
I'm game
You would probably get filled in by some lass from Duffryn :)
Serious question though and hope for a serious answer and discourse with minimum mudslinging…
What are the first fundamental things that a new Labour government should do to get the UK back on track?
Naive maybe, but one of the things that I would look at is the legalisation and taxation of cannabis and possibly other illegal drugs.
Use this money to invest in infrastructure and well paying jobs to go along with it.
I think the first thing to do is move away from the silly targets of so many new homes by 2030 , an end to child poverty , etc etc
I don't know how much cash legalising drugs would bring in but it's long overdue
It would wipe out a lot of crime associated with supply and everyone would be a lot happier
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