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The take-away is this, some people will play fast and loose with the truth but expect Christians to get all their facts spot on. It works both ways.Originally Posted by jon1959
If a few war memorials are sprayed with paint then hopefully those idiots caught doing it will get a slap or get nicked or both
It won't represent ordinary people marching against the bombing of innocent people
That's a far bigger issue in the grand scheme of things than mindless idiots who have no respect
Christians don't lie ?
I beg to differ with that opinion
If memorials are defaced in any way, IMO it would be a massive own goal, and a groundswell would rise against those doing it.
Well it wouldn't surprise me if one or two clowns got through
It's clearly not right but its almost like braverman and her gang of torch bearers are wanting it to happen
It's already happened mind.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2443611.html
Well that's not loading for me
And there you have it! SF, I suspect you wouldn't accept God if Jesus himself popped up in your home tonight to talk to you. I think you would convince yourself that it was an illusion/conjuring trick. I'm afraid you are letting your fellow atheists down with your rants at least they appear to have taken the time to examine and critique Christianity!
It seems you refuse to read anything written about the evidence for God. If you don't want to read the Bible because you believe it's just a book of fairy tales, then how about having a look at Lee Strobel's book The Case for Christ. If no, is it perhaps because you are afraid that it might make sense? Strobel was an avowed atheist, convinced that "people created God because they were afraid of death," and his hedonistic lifestyle revealed no spiritual inclinations whatsoever. Strobel himself admitted: "I lived an immoral, drunken, profane, narcissistic, self-destructive kind of life."
I have read Dawkins's God Delusion and found it to be very interesting with some thought-provoking ideas. I am not afraid to have my understanding challenged, are you?
Take a look at this video by Strobel. It's called "Disproving the Resurrection", the latter being the lynch-pin of Christianity. It will answer a lot of your questions. It's only about 20 minutes long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1txIpicCMY
If anyone can disprove the resurrection to me, I would immediately renounce my Christian faith.
Criminal damage and unhelpful to the millions who want a ceasefire and justice for Palestine.
But a rare incident.
If the march does go ahead on Saturday (now seems likely after Sunak's grandstanding and retreat) the people on it will be miles away from the Cenotaph, will be well stewarded (and well disciplined based on the last few) for a gathering of that size and will be marching at a different time from the silence and a different day from the majority of remembrance events.
But thanks to Braverman and her fellow agitators there may be a far right counter demonstration on Saturday (Yaxley-Lennon is getting his troops ready) and there is an open goal for anyone wanting to cause trouble and undermine the solidarity movement. If there is any criminal damage or 'disrespect' (whatever that means this week - probably spraying Free Palestine somewhere) it could easily be by people who have more in common with the IDF, the EDL or Daily Mail leader writers than the main marchers.
Hmm, maybe. I do think you hold some people to far lower standards though tbh Jon. There's a litany of distasteful things associated with these marches now.
I really do think they are emboldening Israel too, so pretty useless in that respect.
I just hope it goes fine this weekend, as it is a potential tinderbox ATM.
I, m certainly of the opinion that 99.999999% of those demoing for the Palestinians are genuine but agree that there are always a fringe with an alterrior motive who spoil it for the genuine and agree that there will be a hope by some that it does kick off.
Old v young
Black v white
Male v female
Religion v religion
The division is deliberately manipulated IMO
Together you are strong
Divided you are weak
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I have watched that in its entirety
The Virgin birth , the resurrection, two of the basic tenents of Christian faith are mentioned
But no evidence apart from references to a 2000 year old book are provided
I can't proceed and take on a life system based on no evidence
If god existed then he's had 2000 years since Jesus was around to prove us of his existence
If Christians believe God is omnipresent and all powerful then he would obviously be regularly proving to us of his existence
It's been a long time since books were at the centre of learning
Why hasn't he made a film and sent it to all the churches in the world? He's all powerful and everywhere .....why can't he do that ?
Dvds , recordings of his voice , miracles live on air ?
Man is crap compared to God so they say ? Well if man can put someone on the moon ......why can't God use his power to stop all the doubters pissing him off ?
Instead of answering those sort of easy to prove questions we get told by the fella in that video that the bible is the truth because several people around at the same time can back it up ?
That sort of collusion has always gone on , it's not evidence at all
I could never base my life on something that has no legitimacy and substance and there is nothing in that video and that is because there is no God
People are of course free to believe what they want but if a priest tells me he has a cure for a disease I will get what he gives me analysed by a scientist and doctor first
Mostly talked about and associated by your mate braverman , stoked up by braverman and further propelled by garbage like gb news , talk tv and the internet
Yeah that's not true though is it.
Yes it's true that the awful things you and braverman are talking about are mostly fear mongering
The Rochdale incident was two teenage boys , stupid foolish idiots
But it wasn't a firebombing
There are going to be incidents this weekend but there are 60 million people in the UK
Strobel at the time was not only an atheist but a hardened and skeptical journalist from Chicago. Unlike over 99% of atheists, he had the time and the contacts to disprove the Bible and go out to disprove the historical evidence for Resurrection of Christ by mainly using evidence OUTSIDE of the Bible. Like you, why would he trust the Bible?
If you are too afraid to watch what he found, then you are only running from the facts.
I suspect you have more backbone than that, so I await your comments & questions > *THE CASE FOR CHRIST.
And yes, it's a movie, but eternity is a whole lot longer
Oh, the irony!
I don't have a 'world view'. I am open minded and am happy to take on board any verifiable facts or likely reasons for things and am happy to revise my thought as any new reliable information comes to pass. There are many things I don't understand in the meantime. It's the opposite of having an imprinted religion invented by people who had no understanding of evolution, DNA, the Universe but believed in talking snakes and talking donkeys.
There is no equivalence between your and my way of thinking.
So, well done for watching the video. It's interesting that you use the term "collusion". I've asked the question several times I think and that is, what was in it for them i.e. those first followers of Jesus? Apart from torture and agonising death at the hands of the Romans, not a lot! Would they really go for that based on a lie?
As for the age of the book, I don't see how that is relevant. We forget that back then there was a strong oral tradition as most people were illiterate. This does not mean that they were stupid of course. As Strobel pointed out, as we get older we cannot recall precisely what we were doing at all times in our lives but when there were certain remarkable/memorable events we surely don't forget those. I will soon be 77 years old and I can clearly remember certain events from my secondary school days 60 or so years ago. For example, my grandfather, who I was very close to, died in 1965 and I can recall in minute details the events the day he died and the day of his funeral. I'm pretty confident if I had been around at the time and watched Jesus (or anyone else come to that) die by crucifixion and then seen him alive a few days later, I would not have forgotten such events!
Anyway, hopefully this has caused you to stop and think at least.
Best regards,
Gofer.
OK, so you don't have a world view. Out of interest, this is the world view of the atheist Richard Dawkins:
“We are survival machines – robot vehicles blindly programmed to preserve the selfish molecules known as genes. Our genes made us. We animals exist for their preservation and are nothing more than throwaway survival machines. The world of the selfish gene is one of savage competition, ruthless exploitation and deceit”.
“If there is ever a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored”.
(Both quotations from Dawkins's book “River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life”).
What a sad world he describes. One wonders how he reconciles that view with his own life experiences and how the concept of love and kindness ever came into being.
Why do you believe that Jesus was the son of God when the Jews don't? Why do you believe that he was the result of a virgin birth when the Jews don't? Why do you recognise the New Testament when the Jews don't?
About as rare as a pregnant woman being beheaded and then her unborn child being cut out and also beheaded. That is one of the many reasons why Israel will not stop until Hamas as been put out and why post Hamas, Palestine will be closely monitored.
Both sides want to live in peace - apart from Hamas. And yes - the places where Israel should not have built houses should be turned into a no mans land, where no one can live, make it a nature reserve or anything but a place where people live. Maybe the UN should create a new zone and stick all the asylum seekers there ?
I have watched itStrobel at the time was not only an atheist but a hardened and skeptical journalist from Chicago. Unlike over 99% of atheists, he had the time and the contacts to disprove the Bible and go out to disprove the historical evidence for Resurrection of Christ by mainly using evidence OUTSIDE of the Bible. Like you, why would he trust the Bible?
If you are too afraid to watch what he found, then you are only running from the facts.
I suspect you have more backbone than that, so I await your comments & questions > *THE CASE FOR CHRIST.
And yes, it's a movie, but eternity is a whole lot longer
No evidence at all
There is no evidence in that video
Kind regards to you too
October 7th was incredibly rare
An appalling atrocity
What do you think the 4000 deaths of children in bombing by Israel is ?
It's still going on , today
The UN have described it as an atrocity
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