RCT getting rid of bins, collecting black bags only from late September.

[Dembe]

You said that before but I’ve never even seen a dog in Treforest let alone any ds….

I walk there regularly. You are spot on about the students as well, they won't adhere to any rules set out

[Dembe]

Ah right. I'd read it that wheelie bins could still be used to store black bags but, from what you say, not on pavements any more. That makes more sense. There are lots of streets around me with narrow pavements that would benefit from this.

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to take peoples bins tbh. it makes sense to me to store them in your garden or an alleyway, and take the bags out on the morning of collection, depending on what time people put them out, some will be out longer than others due to shift times etc, but they won't be on the streets long enough to attract rats etc? And if people recycle properly and use the food bins I cant see hoards os cats and seagulls attacking them either?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to take peoples bins tbh. it makes sense to me to store them in your garden or an alleyway, and take the bags out on the morning of collection, depending on what time people put them out, some will be out longer than others due to shift times etc, but they won't be on the streets long enough to attract rats etc? And if people recycle properly and use the food bins I cant see hoards os cats and seagulls attacking them either?

I agree. I don't see a problem with this. The only issue might be pet litter but nobody has an excuse for not recycling food properly or using the clear recycling bags.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Most people still have wheelie bins and they can still store black bags in those.

Agreed it's more money for less services but there are reasons for this, the main one being the amount given out by Westminster. Council tax makes up way less than half of council income.

Labour Westminster government's fault

How will they know who's put out three bags, we used to pile ours up in the corner of the street and some houses put bags side by side?

Backward step I would say going back to black bags, but it doesn't affect me so crack on lads!

[goats]

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to take peoples bins tbh. it makes sense to me to store them in your garden or an alleyway, and take the bags out on the morning of collection, depending on what time people put them out, some will be out longer than others due to shift times etc, but they won't be on the streets long enough to attract rats etc? And if people recycle properly and use the food bins I cant see hoards os cats and seagulls attacking them either?

Why not fine them for not collecting them back in? Bags on streets only led to one thing….cats, seagulls, rats will rip them up. Just look at Cathays where bin bags get left on streets regularly as students are too stupid to sort their recycling out properly and too many live in each house anyway so not enough bin space.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Labour Westminster government's fault

How will they know who's put out three bags, we used to pile ours up in the corner of the street and some houses put bags side by side?

Backward step I would say going back to black bags, but it doesn't affect me so crack on lads!

I can also see the point about having wheelie bins out on narrow streets all the time. There are lots of streets like that around where I live and were a nightmare when I had to push my boy around them in his pram. Parking on pavements is another problem because of a lack of space.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Why not fine them for not collecting them back in? Bags on streets only led to one thing….cats, seagulls, rats will rip them up.

Only if there's food or smells inside that attract them. As I've said, if people recycle food properly there shouldn't be a problem. Instead, why not fine people for not recycling properly?

[jeepster]

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to take peoples bins tbh. it makes sense to me to store them in your garden or an alleyway, and take the bags out on the morning of collection, depending on what time people put them out, some will be out longer than others due to shift times etc, but they won't be on the streets long enough to attract rats etc? And if people recycle properly and use the food bins I cant see hoards os cats and seagulls attacking them either?

If people put the correct items in the bags no problem,lazy people put food and waste in black bags is where the problem is.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

If people put the correct items in the bags no problem,lazy people put food and waste in black bags is where the problem is.

Yes, absolutely.

[JamesWales]

If people put the correct items in the bags no problem,lazy people put food and waste in black bags is where the problem is.

True, but that is what happens. You also get scraps of food attached to bits of plastic etc. Its no use council services only working when people behave how they *should* behave. If that were the case we could slash many services.

Not saying this is right or wrong, but I can see how waste is more likely to get ripped open etc in bags than in caddies and bins.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

True, but that is what happens. You also get scraps of food attached to bits of plastic etc. Its no use council services only working when people behave how they *should* behave. If that were the case we could slash many services.

Such as?

[JamesWales]

Such as?

Well if people behaved as they should behave, you wouldn't have a need for child protection services or traffic wardens or speed cameras or even the police!

This is a far less complex example, but the point is that whilst we should educate as best as we can, it's pointless delivering a service if you know that it won't work based on how many people actually behave as opposed to how they should

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Well if people behaved as they should behave, you wouldn't have a need for child protection services or traffic wardens or speed cameras or even the police!

This is a far less complex example, but the point is that whilst we should educate as best as we can, it's pointless delivering a service if you know that it won't work based on how many people actually behave as opposed to how they should

I've read it all now.....

[North Cardiff Blue]

Well if people behaved as they should behave, you wouldn't have a need for child protection services or traffic wardens or speed cameras or even the police!

This is a far less complex example, but the point is that whilst we should educate as best as we can, it's pointless delivering a service if you know that it won't work based on how many people actually behave as opposed to how they should

Just stumbled across this on the alternative, the state of some of the streets in Cardiff with rubbish, and beds, fridges everything, what the hell is the matter with some people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUmMKfTn_Dk

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Just stumbled across this on the alternative, the state of some of the streets in Cardiff with rubbish, and beds, fridges everything, what the hell is the matter with some people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUmMKfTn_Dk

Happens everywhere unfortunately. Lazy, ignorant people.

[JamesWales]

I've read it all now.....

And what you do disagree with?

So you would run a service that may lead to a tonne of negative unintended consequences but shrug your shoulders because the cause of it was that people shouldnt have behaved that way?

You have to live in the real world - that's what I'm saying.

[Dembe]

Why not fine them for not collecting them back in? Bags on streets only led to one thing….cats, seagulls, rats will rip them up. Just look at Cathays where bin bags get left on streets regularly as students are too stupid to sort their recycling out properly and too many live in each house anyway so not enough bin space.

Sure it has been said more than once, but STORE THEM IN THE BIN OUT YOUR BACK AND CARRY THEM OUT THE MORNING OF COLLECTION I CANT SEE MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR RATS AND BIRDS TO BIN DIVE ESPECIALLY IF PEOPLE RECYCLE PROPERLY AND USE THE FOOD BINS FOR FOOD WASTE

[goats]

Sure it has been said more than once, but STORE THEM IN THE BIN OUT YOUR BACK AND CARRY THEM OUT THE MORNING OF COLLECTION I CANT SEE MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR RATS AND BIRDS TO BIN DIVE ESPECIALLY IF PEOPLE RECYCLE PROPERLY AND USE THE FOOD BINS FOR FOOD WASTE

I can’t speak for the valleys but the crows and seagulls are on it, evil mo foes…..plus the council are so shit your bags could easily be out allday some days despite them telling you it’s 7am. Mine are often gone by then, food waste 6.30 am and if that’s not locked properly it will get knocked over and feasted on….

[Dembe]

I can’t speak for the valleys but the crows and seagulls are on it, evil mo foes…..plus the council are so shit your bags could easily be out allday some days despite them telling you it’s 7am. Mine are often gone by then, food waste 6.30 am and if that’s not locked properly it will get knocked over and feasted on….

They're pretty good where I'm from, not exactly like you can set your watch to it but they're always gone before 9.

[blue matt]

From what I've read, in some narrow streets, having wheelie bins outside can cause problems for people trying to navigate pavements. That's particularly awkward for prams, disabled people. I can't see how using bin bags will make that any better.

I can see a massive downside to going back to black bags, some of Barry had wheelie bins and some didnt, I believe from speaking to my mum they stopped them a while back, when I go upto my mums I see Black bags outside, ask my mum " is it bin day tomorrow mum " no its Thursday, so these people have put out bin bags 2 days before guess what, the Guls and Rats attack them

I am about to take the dog for a walk, I'll walk to the top of the street and then down the hill, on my way down, between two terraced streets is an alleyway between the two streets. People wheel their bins to the top Thursday evening, they don't take them back down once the council have done their collection though..they block the pavement. I threw 3 of them back down the alley a few weeks ago, this was after a few times of nicely moving them into the alley to stop the pavement from being blocked for people walking. It is a busy route people use for school and the local shop. There are about 6/7 bins that just congregate at then top of the alley.

that's just people needing to be educated, if that doesnt work, then fine them

Maybe the council needs to designate a area for the wheelie bins, I know in Bristol, a few roads have a Giant Planter on one side of the road ( also lets people know they can only park that side of the road, the other side is double yellows, which in turn means emergency vehicles can get down every road ) , its a bit of community joy, nicely planted up with flowers, maybe a area next to something like that to put them the night before bin day, then they get 24 hours to remove them again

we moved away from bin bags because it didnt work, from my eyes it looks like a backwards step

[blue matt]

Why not fine them for not collecting them back in? Bags on streets only led to one thing….cats, seagulls, rats will rip them up. Just look at Cathays where bin bags get left on streets regularly as students are too stupid to sort their recycling out properly and too many live in each house anyway so not enough bin space.

I watched a Youtube Video last night, some urban explorer did a video on the roughest areas of Cardiff, Cathays had the highest crime rate, he walked around it, I know its HMO's and students, but it really was like a 3rd world country, he was wading through rubbish on the streets, white goods just dumped, beds, mattresses, I remember Cathays being run down from when I was younger and we would pop to Miss Milies for something to eat after clubbing, you had to avoid the rats down the side streets eating the left over chicken and various kebabs, but it was never as bad as the vid I watched last night

[blue matt]

Just stumbled across this on the alternative, the state of some of the streets in Cardiff with rubbish, and beds, fridges everything, what the hell is the matter with some people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUmMKfTn_Dk

I watched that last night, came on after a Bald and Bankrupt Video

a Rather Sad Watch to be honest

[Dembe]

I can see a massive downside to going back to black bags, some of Barry had wheelie bins and some didnt, I believe from speaking to my mum they stopped them a while back, when I go upto my mums I see Black bags outside, ask my mum " is it bin day tomorrow mum " no its Thursday, so these people have put out bin bags 2 days before guess what, the Guls and Rats attack them




that's just people needing to be educated, if that doesnt work, then fine them

Maybe the council needs to designate a area for the wheelie bins, I know in Bristol, a few roads have a Giant Planter on one side of the road ( also lets people know they can only park that side of the road, the other side is double yellows, which in turn means emergency vehicles can get down every road ) , its a bit of community joy, nicely planted up with flowers, maybe a area next to something like that to put them the night before bin day, then they get 24 hours to remove them again

we moved away from bin bags because it didnt work, from my eyes it looks like a backwards step

Works up the Rhondda?

[pipster]

Instead Would getting rid of RCT solve the bins problem ?, asking for a friend

[Dembe]

Instead Would getting rid of RCT solve the bins problem ?, asking for a friend

Have one big happy Cardiff Council family?