Anyone still prepared to vote UKIP?

[life on mars]

Speaking to folk who have voted for them who are mainly labour voters ,I get the feeling they would if the right messages were they they would , even before Brexit they did get a 2 million vote ,their overall message resonated in the poorer areas

[Pilkers]

Speaking to folk who have voted for them who are mainly labour voters ,I get the feeling they would if the right messages were they they would , even before Brexit they did get a 2 million vote ,their overall message resonated in the poorer areas

Do you value the opinion of xenophobe 50 something unionist Welsh, I don't, the sooner they drop dead the better.

[life on mars]

Do you value the opinion of xenophobe 50 something unionist Welsh, I don't, the sooner they drop dead the better.

No, I dont value their opinion or bigotry .


I did say I was talking to folk that used to vote labour or still do .

It appears they are at complete odds with the free movement and Immigration views of the Labour as it impacts onto their communities .

The Brexit vote saw UKIP came 3rd ,in Wales ,13.6% of the vote, my gut feeling says that fact is still in play ,therefore yes they could seep back to UKIP .

They dont differentiate between refugees, entry via Calais ,or the European fee movement plan , they just see services squeezed .

The impact has a long history going back to the Blair government , and in hindsight the mistake ,to enable early entry of 2 million people on free movement ,without bolstering services in areas like the poor English seaside town ,and the valleys .

Labour need a strong policy statement on this to avoid a voter slip back to a UKIP .

[Eric Cartman]

A lot of the mess we currently find ourselves in goes straight back to Blair, mass immigration and the squeeze on resources, students getting into 45k debt to do a degree, the mess in Iraq, ISIS, Arab spring , massive PFI debts, the Welsh Assembly, rampant horrible Scottish nationalism - all of them a result of Tony Blair and some hair brained ideas - I'll give him credit - he thought he was doing the right thing at the time, apart from mass immigration - which he did deliberately

How often are you in Scotland Mambo?

[Pilkers]

How often are you in Scotland Mambo?

I'd take Welsh independence tomorrow if primarily it meant remaining in the EU, but also, and ironically the rampant vile bigotry of the little Britain insular underclasses and being governed by a tosspot public schoolboy elite has left me devoid of any loyalty to or fondness for mainstream contemporary GB.

I'm sure many Scots feel the same way, yet for aspiring for something different They're labelled as vile, dangerous, hate filled nats...Mental innit.

[David Vincent]

the rampant vile bigotry of the little Britain insular underclasses

You claim to be against hatred yet there is a lot of hatred in that statement.

I suppose you think the "underclasses" should be grateful for being pushed out of the labour market by immigrants who are not too worried about health and safety standards and who are prepared to work for less money. Should they also be grateful for the hospital overcrowding and the housing shortages caused by immigration?

[Pearcey3]

You claim to be against hatred yet there is a lot of hatred in that statement.

I suppose you think the "underclasses" should be grateful for being pushed out of the labour market by immigrants who are not too worried about health and safety standards and who are prepared to work for less money. Should they also be grateful for the hospital overcrowding and the housing shortages caused by immigration?

Why are you blaming immigrants instead of those that are employing them as cheap labour?

[Eric Cartman]

Im half Scottish Eric, have family there - so once a year - sometimes twice - thanks for asking though

The independent vote - was horrible, listening to the relatives (on both sides) some of the stuff that went on - horrible nasty nats - not all obviously - but lots of it,

Where abouts? My sister has been married to a Scot for ~15 years so have spent quite a bit of time up there and never heard a word of it. I would be considered English to them too (1/2 Welsh by grandparents but born and brought up in England) so I would have thought I might get a load of shit up there but never.

Not entirely sure how Blair can be blamed for what Scottish people think or say, you might have to explain that one.

[Eric Cartman]

Have family all over, I think Blair and devolution was a bad thing in a way that it then led up to the near break up of the UK - (as well as adding a new layer of red tape, and on the whole a waste of time) - just my opinion though - no need to go off on one.

Eric - did you used to be Dr Tim Muff on here ? (strange question - but you both seem very similar)

Nah not me, I was around when DTM was on here.

I don't think devolution can be attributed as the driver of nationalist feeling in Scotland - it certainly hasn't had the same effect in Wales.

The government is meant to listen to it's people, there was a demand for more localised power and they delivered that. Ironically Welsh and Scottish devolution has driven significant nationalist feeling in England for quite understandable reasons.

By the same token, would you blame Cameron for giving Scotland the vote? Some people do but I wouldn't.

[Pilkers]

Have family all over, I think Blair and devolution was a bad thing in a way that it then led up to the near break up of the UK - (as well as adding a new layer of red tape, and on the whole a waste of time) - just my opinion though - no need to go off on one.

Eric - did you used to be Dr Tim Muff on here ? (strange question - but you both seem very similar)

**** the UK, sooner it breaks up the better, if you're so familiar with Scotland visit in July, there's more Orange order marches than there is in Ireland. Thats how British nationalism manifests itself in the central belt, out and out racism and religious hatred. The SNP arent my bag but they are at least all inclusive regardless of race or religion. That's some nerve you've got pigeon holeing them when your own in Scotland are still as twisted racist and violent as they've always been.