Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
I want a new democratic left of centre party, its the only way of keeping out the tories

If you want independence but vote Labour at least you are not wasting your time on plaid so everyone is a winner
You have one currently in Wales but don't like Drakeford because he's not seen as a strong leader. He's stepping down soon anyway.

Labour's official position towards union (and the Lib Dems and the Greens) is shifting because of public opinion. This wouldn't happen if there wasn't a growing indy-curious position.

Tories unofficial position is shifting in opposite direction but more they act to act devolution the more people become indy-curious, which subsequently scares voters in England into voting Tory which suits them fine.

If you want to see the UK survive you (one) should vote Labour, Lib Dems or Green; if you (one) wants to see independence should vote SNP or Plaid; and if you (one) wants to see UK become England then should vote Tories, Abolish or UKIP.