Quote Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird View Post
Nice to see some very thoughtful comments on this thread about the terrible situation.

On other places I am seeing some really terrible comments where people are trying to defend their political positions on the issue when in reality... all of the following CAN (and probably is) true..


- We should have never been there... especially without a stronger alliance and plan
- Bush and Blair have a lot to answer for - this had nothing to do with 9/11 and was a stupid intervention
- The US and UK never had a long term hand-over plan and successive governments completely failed our troops and the people of Afghanistan
- Obama had 8 years to develop a plan - he tried but didn't do enough
- Trump negotiated with the Taliban because the Taliban refused to negotiate with the Afghanistan Government and completely messed it up - he had NO idea what he was doing
- Trump made promises to the Taliban which he was in no position to follow on through
- Trump had already agreed for the US to leave as a part of his 'agreement' with the Taliban
- Much of the military weapons and infrastructure being used by the Taliban is US and UK funded (as well as Russian) - what a mess
- Biden completely messed things up with the abrupt and unplanned nature of the withdrawal - he has blood on his hands
- The UK government have shafted Afghans who worked for us, with us and supported our military - they are likely to be executed and Patel has rejected their asylum to the UK because she wants to appease a heartless right-wing base
- People will get executed because the UK doesn't give a shit about people who helped us and the US are acting too late

NO ONE comes out of this looking good, no one!
Agree with most of what you said, I do disagree with the idea we never should have been there though. They were harbouring al qaeda, if our mission had been limited to killing as many taliban and al qaeda members as possible I think it would have been positive. I think it was the overreach that caused the problem, followed by the complete lack of any planning that you very rightly point out