Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
You do know most NHS staff are paid less than they are in other western countries yeah?

I'll ask you this, why could we used to afford it, why can other countries afford it but the UK can't?

You've missed the point about the billionaire class, don't you think it's weird that there are more billionaires than ever in the UK, and they're richer than ever but wages are stagnating? TrIcKlE DoWn EcOnOmIcS.

I don't know how you can't see you've had 30+ years of right wing media screaming this down your throat so they can further privatise the NHS (which has worked just so well for energy and trains). This will lead to worse outcomes mark my words.

You literally have everything you want, tory government and brexit yet everything is still getting worse. I cannot name one thing getting better in the UK. Can you?
What I do know the wage bill big .
Performance management is need as is value for money .
Pouring more and more money into a system does not fix things modernisation does .
Getting existing staff GP's to better cover weekends will reduce waiting lists .
Charging people who can afford for minor non critical medial needs needs is needed .
Look at what's been prescribed and why.
Abuse of A&E and violence towards the staff due to over indulgence along with clogging up the real A&E needs .
Blair brought waiting lists down and he was the last real radical politician to look at it and yes that included privatisation of certain elements..

Remember this view :

build a health service based on four BEVAN principles:

free at the point of use ( when does the build finish )
available to everyone who needed it ( that was designed for the poor not the rich )
paid for out of general taxation ( that is being done but needs more via NI)
used responsibly. ( this is the key one )

when Bevan wrote this people sadly died a lot younger , population was much lower , they had no access to drugs that prolonged life, people weren't given stuff like mobility cars and other at home equipment , prescriptions were so much lower in supply , complicated expensive state of the art theatre ward equipment was not available , road deaths /injuries were a small percentage of hospital omissions , Crickey you could go on for hours .

Its too big , its out lived its original purpose.