Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
It's a good line, that's why the apologists keep using it, but the furore is not about cake and wine.

It's about Johnson making a law, being on television (it seemed like every day) telling people not to break it as lives were at stake, and people following the law to the extent that family members died alone - then lying about having broken that same law multiple times to parliament, refusing to resign for lying in breach of the ministerial code, and becoming the first PM to get sanctioned by the police in office.

It's not that juicy? It's the juiciest scandal involving a Prime Minister in history! It's got death, criminality and moral bankruptcy.

Or it's about cake.
No I get it, and I've said numerous times he should have resigned. I don't think it's juicy, because whilst I agree with you in many respects, the indescretions fundementally are in any time of history very trivial. I just don't have an enormous issue with people who had to work together having a cake or whatever before a meeting. It was wrong, but I'm not that bothered by it and we are just talking about the same damned thing.

What absolutely f****d me over was lockdown and WFH. What worries me is the absense of recognition of how bad that is for mental health and I do hear more recognition of that from him rather than from Starmer.

We are just going round in circles really. The Tories are damaging themselves more by him staying anyway