Have The Tories Come A Long Way ( Are They More Diverse Than Other Parties )

[the other bob wilson]

Well great swathes of the popultion would say they are tired of politicians who aren't themselves, have little personality and are afraid to say it 'as they see it', so I do think there is a need for that type of politician tbh, but certainly they won't appeal to everyone.

Johnson wasn’t that type of politician, besides all of his moral faults, he was also widely regarded to just go along with what the last person who spoke to him on any given subject thought - the man has never ever made me laugh and, as far as I can see, his strong point, campaigning, consisted of nothing more than him going around wearing daft clothes, giving a thumbs up sign and gurning. I’m prepared to admit that my complete disregard for the man probably means that I don’t recognise that he is an effective campaigner, but, apart from that, he’s a man with very few political skills - we’ve just lived through a real life version of the Emperor’s New Clothes.

[life on mars]

Johnson wasn’t that type of politician, besides all of his moral faults, he was also widely regarded to just go along with what the last person who spoke to him on any given subject thought - the man has never ever made me laugh and, as far as I can see, his strong point, campaigning, consisted of nothing more than him going around wearing daft clothes, giving a thumbs up sign and gurning. I’m prepared to admit that my complete disregard for the man probably means that I don’t recognise that he is an effective campaigner, but, apart from that, he’s a man with very few political skills - we’ve just lived through a real life version of the Emperor’s New Clothes.

He was the creation of the opposition and another populist , you could argue one populist created the other , or vis versa ,either way they are the same if you strip out the left and right argument the article below from a left leaning paper is well crafted .


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-democracy-mps

The campaign to re-elect Corbyn is populist to its core. It is based on the absoluteness of the “democratic mandate” given by Labour members and supporters, which renders null and void any dissent from Labour’s “elites” in Westminster or Brussels. It means that Corbyn does not even need the support of the MPs he is supposed to be leading in the House of Commons. To do anything other than “get behind the leader” is to thwart the will of Labour’s people. Corbyn warmly talks of “reaching out”, but those who take his hand must be willing to be led by it.

This is populism in its purest form, with the people as the final and best judges. Its simplistic purity obscures the complex messiness of real political problems, the greatest of which is that an effective opposition leader needs to command the support of the party in parliament. Corbyn’s supporters do not entertain the possibility that those who dedicate their lives to serving their party and the country might have good reason to believe their man is not up to the job. Rejection of Corbyn is taken as proof that they are traitors, to be replaced by people who will do what their electorate tells them without daring to question its judgment. The party members and supporters are always right, so any of its MPs who disagree must be wrong.

[the other bob wilson]

He was the creation of the opposition and another populist , you could argue one populist created the other , or vis versa ,either way they are the same if you strip out the left and right argument the article below from a left leaning paper is well crafted .


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-democracy-mps

The campaign to re-elect Corbyn is populist to its core. It is based on the absoluteness of the “democratic mandate” given by Labour members and supporters, which renders null and void any dissent from Labour’s “elites” in Westminster or Brussels. It means that Corbyn does not even need the support of the MPs he is supposed to be leading in the House of Commons. To do anything other than “get behind the leader” is to thwart the will of Labour’s people. Corbyn warmly talks of “reaching out”, but those who take his hand must be willing to be led by it.

This is populism in its purest form, with the people as the final and best judges. Its simplistic purity obscures the complex messiness of real political problems, the greatest of which is that an effective opposition leader needs to command the support of the party in parliament. Corbyn’s supporters do not entertain the possibility that those who dedicate their lives to serving their party and the country might have good reason to believe their man is not up to the job. Rejection of Corbyn is taken as proof that they are traitors, to be replaced by people who will do what their electorate tells them without daring to question its judgment. The party members and supporters are always right, so any of its MPs who disagree must be wrong.

"He was a creation of the opposition" - really?

The bloke who wrote this had Johnson down to a tee when this was written more than forty years in his school report;-

"Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies. [He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).

"I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else."

[Taunton Blue Genie]

"He was a creation of the opposition" - really?

The bloke who wrote this had Johnson down to a tee when this was written more than forty years in his school report;-

"Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies. [He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).

"I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else."

LoM thinks that Boris is about 4 years old.

[JamesWales]

"He was a creation of the opposition" - really?

The bloke who wrote this had Johnson down to a tee when this was written more than forty years in his school report;-

"Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies. [He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).

"I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else."

I know you don't like him, but, in terms of responsibility:

He did see us through Covid.

He did ultimately (and finally) fulfil the Brexit referendum.

He is generally acknowledged to have done very well in terms of support for Ukraine
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/boris...nation-1729581

Obviously this is balanced against numerous reasons to not like him, but I think we need to accept a bit of balance here. I hear a lot of (generally on twitter) rather extravagant critiques of him as the worst politician / PM of all time etc. I'm not really sure that's true. A lot of people seem to have these rather extreme proclamations about every prime minister..

[Taunton Blue Genie]

I know you don't like him, but, in terms of responsibility:

He did see us through Covid.

He did ultimately (and finally) fulfil the Brexit referendum.

He is generally acknowledged to have done very well in terms of support for Ukraine
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/boris...nation-1729581

Obviously this is balanced against numerous reasons to not like him, but I think we need to accept a bit of balance here. I hear a lot of (generally on twitter) rather extravagant critiques of him as the worst politician / PM of all time etc. I'm not really sure that's true. A lot of people seem to have these rather extreme proclamations about every prime minister..

You always claim to have a balanced view but you do seem to lean towards the present government as a default. I may be deluding myself but in decades of following politics this regime seems the most cankerous I can remember - and I am not 'of the left'.

[the other bob wilson]

I know you don't like him, but, in terms of responsibility:

He did see us through Covid.

He did ultimately (and finally) fulfil the Brexit referendum.

He is generally acknowledged to have done very well in terms of support for Ukraine
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/boris...nation-1729581

Obviously this is balanced against numerous reasons to not like him, but I think we need to accept a bit of balance here. I hear a lot of (generally on twitter) rather extravagant critiques of him as the worst politician / PM of all time etc. I'm not really sure that's true. A lot of people seem to have these rather extreme proclamations about every prime minister..

What was he supposed to do with Covid? Walk away from it? As for Brexit, the man wants to rip up his “oven ready deal”. His own party, not the electorate, have just kicked him out

[JamesWales]

Johnson wasn’t that type of politician, besides all of his moral faults, he was also widely regarded to just go along with what the last person who spoke to him on any given subject thought - the man has never ever made me laugh and, as far as I can see, his strong point, campaigning, consisted of nothing more than him going around wearing daft clothes, giving a thumbs up sign and gurning. I’m prepared to admit that my complete disregard for the man probably means that I don’t recognise that he is an effective campaigner, but, apart from that, he’s a man with very few political skills - we’ve just lived through a real life version of the Emperor’s New Clothes.

Like I said, they won't appeal to everyone, but to a large part of the population his style is/was appealing, and parties would be wise to remember that.

He clearly has more of a personality than many politicians, and many people find that appealing.