Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
I agree that Doucas has gone over a line a few times in this thread with language that cannot be justified, but please save us from the one eyed sanctimonious bollux that you and James specialise in.

You were happy to leave Goslow’s Grenfell candle burning on the site for weeks and you have no concern for racist, Nazi propaganda taking root. Not a squeak!

But if someone goes OTT in challenging your core conservative beliefs you get a touch of the vapours! Citizens Nephew is right. As is Splot Parker and Paul Evans. This is a thread that has focused on the selfish decisions of a generation with relative political and financial power - screwing the world for those that come after. Many of us on both sides of the argument are part of that generation and some of us share a sense of responsibility and shame.

And to repeat what others have said, Doucas is not wishing death on individuals of a certain age, but a generational change so that other values and priorities might come to the top. It will happen naturally. You don’t have to feel so personally offended by the prospect!
1 - Agree. He has gone over the line a few times, and it's good he was called out on it and good to see others point this out too. You are right, some of his language cannot be justified.

2 - I'm not sure calling out online abuse is sanctimonious bollocks, given the impact it can have on people, but that's your opinion I guess.

3 - No idea what you are on about with Grenfell candles and especially not Nazi propaganda. You can't casually accuse people of that with absolutely no basis to what you are saying. I will criticise the German National Socialist Workers party (which ceased to exist 75 years ago) at every chance I can. Where has anyone ever defended them on here?

4 - Core conservative beliefs? What are they? This is a thread about gas prices. Not that it's your business but in the most recent council elections I voted one labour and one tory. What I am not is 'far left', but I do not have core conservative beliefs and I suspect I am far more liberal and open minded than you. I am a pragmatist and this thread was about that.

5 - The thread wasn't about the selfish decisions of a generation, it was about gas prices. Start up a second thread on that if you like, and hopefully you will all be able to listen to different views without resorting to insults. It would be an interesting thread, there was an article on the very topic in the SUnday Times yesterday. FWIW, I don't agree with the triple-lock pension and agree that too much wealth and power currently rests in land assets, owned disproportionately by the wealthy. You gonna share your lot a bit more?

6 - As I said, we know Doucas almost certainly doesn't mean this literally, but language does matter. You understand that when something is used against you or one of your beliefs, you just don't apply the same courtesy to others.

7 - I am personally offended when Doucas posts the bile he does. Partly because he does personally insult me (although his characterisations are absurd, and I was born in the 80s so it's merely another example of something he is wrong about) but also he insults people I care about.