Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
I think most people accept a bloke called Jesus was around 2000 years ago

The problem is that Christians

think that rather than being a sort of community leader with a charitable side .....he was a supernatural visionary who healed the sick and performed magic tricks
Actually that's quite an admission coming from an atheist. Obviously I don't agree with your second paragraph but I admit most people will acknowledge the historical Jesus simply as a great moral teacher, full-stop. Suppose if people just followed his moral teaching alone, think what a different world we could be living in! Of course, true followers of Jesus are trying as much as possible to emulate him but we are only human of course and none of us are perfect, so we have to rely on his grace and forgiveness at the end of the day, rather than depend on our "good works". At least he knows, that we know, we are sinners!