Reply With QuoteSelf important pricks. Worst board in the football league and the worst fans representatives too.
Tan OUT
Trust OUT
FAB OUT
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Yea yes the website is there.Originally Posted by jon1959
The club is in free fall and the trust objects protests. I despair. So weak
Self important pricks. Worst board in the football league and the worst fans representatives too.
Tan OUT
Trust OUT
FAB OUT
Well said and chwarae teg to Hilts for his reply, but, that apart, the lack of acknowledgement of what you say speaks volumes as the thread descends into another Trust knocking session.
IÂ’m a Trust member and in the past, under a previous chair, you are right, they didnÂ’t appear to be as active as they could be. Recently IÂ’ve had communications from them regarding
Foodbank collection
Raising money for Lymphoma Action via the Sol Bamba shirt project
I get a monthly newsletter
I was consulted by the board on my views on the FAW competition that leads to Europe
A Trust magazine landed on my doormat this week
The Trust is active in supporting the Veterans who maintain the Memorial Garden (which the Trust started)
If there is an ad hoc meeting with Dalman or the clubÂ’s legal advisors they are the only supporters organisation that bothers to communicate with their members to update them.
So, given that itÂ’s an organisation run by volunteers, thereÂ’s quite a bit going on.
The arrival of the FAB has thrown a new light on consultation and it seems to be still feeling its way in terms of what must be a very difficult Club to deal with. Of course, certain people (especially one who runs a messageboard and detests Keith Morgan with a passion) are very quick to criticise the FAB and blame him and the Trust for the FAB shortcomings. In fact the Trust is in a minority only has 2 reps on the FAB whereas the Supporters Club has 4 including Vince, the DSA 1 the rest being independents including the Chair..
I remember the occasion a couple of years ago when Tan removed the Trust as a recognised body for consultation. It was at a time when they were critical of the Club who would only communicate with the Trust via its solicitor at Capital Law. As soon as the Trust had the nerve to email Tan direct the roof fell in on them. Theoretically, Tan could do the same to the FAB.
Sounds like they do a lot of charity work, well done to them as volunteers. It’s not something I would want to join but as long as its members are happy.
I’ve always found Keith’s posts very interesting and well balanced.
A football trust will always be an innovative idea, but it's influence will always depend on the circumstances at each club. Some clubs are run and mostly owned by football trusts like Swansea, Wrexham and Newport in the past. At clubs like that the trust is obviously very influential.
However, at clubs like ours where the owner has 90% of the shares the trust's influence will be diluted as it's shareholding is very small.
Therefore, it is not surprising that the trust and other supporter representatives bodies are seen as 'weak' because frankly they are and it is very difficult to change that. We also have the problem that their are several different bodies the trust, the supporters club, FAB etc which fragments authority as each has it's own agenda.
I am not a trust member. I won't join the trust whilst it's recruitment slogans are 'if you want change then join us and make a difference'. The fact is if I joined the trust and stood for election I wouldn't get elected but the trust would pocket my donation. This is seen by the same people being elected to the board all the time, some have been there since its creation.
It is time for some new blood. Keith is propably the best of the bunch ATM but what they really need is a leader with a personality who everyone can get behind. Even then it is debatable what influence the trust would have but I for one would give it ago and give it all the support I could
A trust and a clueless dictator will never work, we are the football equivalent of of Russia under Putin.
How do you know you wouldn't get elected?
I was one of the Trust's original board members. I just had a look at their website. Only two people (Chairman Keith Morgan and Press Officer Phil Nifield) have been on the board since its creation. I have no idea who the other seven gentlemen are or how long they've been there. But perhaps you do?
I've just looked at the letter I had from the Trust prior to is last AGM in May. As in previous years it contained an appeal to members to put themselves forward for election to help out. It also stated that, as in previous years, all existing board members including the Chair stood down and would put themselves forward for re-election if they so wished. All members were supplied with the appropriate documentation to put themselves forward for election. For an election to take place you need at least one more candidate than places available. That did not happen so there was no election. The fact is people want to "belong" but not many can or wish to "do". The Trust, like the Supporters Club is run by volunteers and the work can be time consuming and onerous and, often, thankless. Apart from the 2 persons TLG has mentioned the rest of the board are comparatively new to my knowledge. I'm a Supporters Club member too and they have had their fair share of personalities who have been around for some time.
Im not making any comment about the trust but as the FAB or trust or anyone else has no power or influence whatsoever i said the FAB response was weak for that reason.
They have no influence anyway so why not stop pretending that they do (keep dialogue opem etc..... and that nonsense) and just come out with it. I liked the original letter they sent but probably didnt go far enough for me. Just my view though.
You can join the Trust for a year for the cost of three match day programmes.
How much is that in beach towels?
I believe the algebraic equation is 1BT = 7.14MDP
Obviously if one was autographed by Chambers after the Preston game then all bets are off!
Cardiff City hooligan sees error of his ways and becomes football programme collector and autograph hunter. Just the sort of life turnaround story we love to see at this time of year. Warms the heart on a cold and frosty morning.
I could buy every match day programme, 3 season tickets and it still wouldn't get me elected to the trust board. My point is they use the wrong slogan to attract supporters.
I wouldn't disagree with you
The reason you’d never get elected to the Trust board is you’d never stand for election in the first place.
That is just over simplistic. The trust has existed for around 15 years and is no better now than when it was conceived. I know people who have stood for election and got nowhere near because the same failed people are returned time and again. The trust needs a clear out with new blood. That won't happen so in another 15 years it will still be a talking shop which achieves nothing but to rob fans of their contributions every year
If you stand for election and put forward a coherent manifesto you may get elected. It is untrue to say that the same failed people are elected every time.
Joing the trust and paying contributions is entirely voluntary, no one us being robbed.
Sorry you couldn't be more wrong. It doesn't matter what your coherent manifesto is unless you are one of the inner circle you won't get elected. The trust is headed by Keith Morgan he was on the original board when the trust was formed. So why are you saying that is untrue? Paying contributions is entierely voluntary but give the false premise that by joining the trust you have possiblity of being elected is dishonest. The whole board should step down and let some fresh blood have ago. If that fails then it is time to acknowlege the trust project is a waste of time
You are clearly unaware that at the most recent Trust AGM the whole of the Trust board put themselves forward for re-election and those who had previously been board members were elected by the Trust membership. Prior to the meeting members were notified that any member of the Trust could put themselves forward for election to the board, as is the case every year. All that is needed is a candidate statement by the member accompanied by a nomination by three Trust members.
Every person who applies to join the board is then voted on by all Trust members who have one vote each if they choose to vote. Existing Trust board members don`t vote but are allowed to nominate a candidate.
You should also know that half the current Trust board are recently elected and were elected under the above system. I myself have to be voted in or can be voted out as Chair by the rest of the board every year.
So to clarify , if you are a Trust member you can be voted onto the Trust board very easily and in recent years everyone who has put their name forward has got elected. It is simply totally untrue to say that the Trust board election process is in any way dishonest as anyone can clearly see from the explanation set out above.
As for the Trust project being a waste of time, were you aware that CCST has made a substantial contribution (and continues to do so) to the Fans Led Review of Football which has now developed into the Football Governance Bill currently at an advanced stage of progression through Parliament? This legislation, which is expected to fully pass into law next year, gives greatly increased powers to fans of every club in the top five tiers of English professional football including a legally binding obligation for every club to fully consult with its fans on all major issues that impact on them.
The topic may be seen to be boring by fans who just want to turn up and watch a match but the reality is the new law is the biggest change in the way clubs are allowed to run for many decades and will ensure that there are properly run clubs for fans to watch and support.
Are you actually a Trust member? If so put your name forward for election to the board. If you are not then you can`t be expected to be elected as you don`t meet the simple criteria .Please also feel free to contact any of the recently elected Trust board - their details are set out on the Trust website - to ask them how easy it was to get elected.
No it isn’t. It’s a fact. You won’t stand for election. Therefore, you’ll never be elected. Simple as that.
What were your previous usernames?
1 - if you are a member of the trust you can stand for election.
2 - if you stand for election and gain enough votes you get elected.
Therefore, by a simple process of logic, the possiblity of being elected by joining the trust is accurate. It is possible. What more do you want? Clearly not a democratic process like this.
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