Washington Air Disaster

[North Cardiff Blue]

No different to Conservatives vs Labour here.

Not really, Labour are tat and tits

[JamesWales]

It’s a post full of feelings, gatherings and seemings.

In a thread full of that I have posted links to three newspaper articles that back up what I've said.

If you want to criticise feeling based posts then mine here are well down the list!

[JamesWales]

In what way and what do you support?

I sense a lot of what we may incoherently and inconclusively label as "woke" interventionist policies are likely to unravel.

It's one thing to try and open up opportunities for everyone. Quite another to deny people opportunities based on characteristics they have no control over.

There's been a few things recently that I have sensed changing. The wind direction definitely feels different.

Anyway, that's a whole other topic.

[the other bob wilson]

In a thread full of that I have posted links to three newspaper articles that back up what I've said.

If you want to criticise feeling based posts then mine here are well down the list!

You posted one link that wasn’t really a link.

[the other bob wilson]

Not really, Labour are tat and tits

Not really a topic for this thread, but I see that clown Philp has been telling the British workforce they're scivers today - it’s a bit of a recurrent theme with the tories isn’t it.

[splott parker]

Not really, Labour are tat and tits

With a massive majority over the other piece of lying shit

[North Cardiff Blue]

With a massive majority over the other piece of lying shit

Too easy

[North Cardiff Blue]

Not really a topic for this thread, but I see that clown Philp has been telling the British workforce they're scivers today - it’s a bit of a recurrent theme with the tories isn’t it.

[Wash DC Blue]

It was always going to be inevitable that this would turn into a political thread.
Trump ensured that this would happen with his ill thought out speech and those (including CNN I believe, who were blaming him within an hour of the tragedy).

Both parties are massively in the wrong and it’s just how it is.
The same is happening on all other message boards now all over the internet.

In the meantime…the only place where discussion about what has happened is on aviation forums.

Maybe this link might get us back on topic.
It is from the NY Post, so some may not like the source.

https://www.aol.com/ronald-reagan-wa...Q&guccounter=2

[Wash DC Blue]

This is very informative and probably the the most insightful thing I have seen regarding the crash.

https://youtu.be/hfgllf1L9_4?si=tuM8HWTcunL2YT8B

[JamesWales]

You posted one link that wasn’t really a link.

I'm not sure how this isn't a proper link, it's from an aviation news site? The other links were posted further up and refer to news articles related to the topic. 🤷

https://simpleflying.com/faa-air-tra...cants-lawsuit/

[the other bob wilson]

I'm not sure how this isn't a proper link, it's from an aviation news site? The other links were posted further up and refer to news articles related to the topic. 🤷

https://simpleflying.com/faa-air-tra...cants-lawsuit/

In the message I was referring to you posted one link which didn’t work.

[ToTaL ITK]

Probably better than the last 4 years.

oh shut up farage

[JamesWales]

In the message I was referring to you posted one link which didn’t work.

Okay, fair enough! Clearly a typo mind!

[Tuerto]

I sense a lot of what we may incoherently and inconclusively label as "woke" interventionist policies are likely to unravel.

It's one thing to try and open up opportunities for everyone. Quite another to deny people opportunities based on characteristics they have no control over.

There's been a few things recently that I have sensed changing. The wind direction definitely feels different.

Anyway, that's a whole other topic.

And all of that could be written about women, ethnic minorities, people with disabilities and mental Health problems for pretty much forever, call me 'Woke' if you like, i just call it being fair, and i know it pisses people off, but **** em'. These policies have been implemented (forced) because plenty of huge companies, institutions, government bodies etc were-are discriminatory. It was them that did it, not the 'left' not the 'wokies' etc. So, because of the behaviours of the bosses and a bunch of people who only like people who are like them, thee policies have had to have been put in place. Are they perfect? No, but it's a consequence of decades of discrimination.

[the other bob wilson]

And all of that could be written about women, ethnic minorities, people with disabilities and mental Health problems for pretty much forever, call me 'Woke' if you like, i just call it being fair, and i know it pisses people off, but **** em'. These policies have been implemented (forced) because plenty of huge companies, institutions, government bodies etc were-are discriminatory. It was them that did it, not the 'left' not the 'wokies' etc. So, because of the behaviours of the bosses and a bunch of people who only like people who are like them, thee policies have had to have been put in place. Are they perfect? No, but it's a consequence of decades of discrimination.

Great post Tuerto

[TWGL1]

And all of that could be written about women, ethnic minorities, people with disabilities and mental Health problems for pretty much forever, call me 'Woke' if you like, i just call it being fair, and i know it pisses people off, but **** em'. These policies have been implemented (forced) because plenty of huge companies, institutions, government bodies etc were-are discriminatory. It was them that did it, not the 'left' not the 'wokies' etc. So, because of the behaviours of the bosses and a bunch of people who only like people who are like them, thee policies have had to have been put in place. Are they perfect? No, but it's a consequence of decades of discrimination.

That’s a good measured post , but I don’t think what you’re referring to has been in existence for about 10 years or so, at least within the Uk.

The woke agenda has only gotten more and more mainstream in the last 2 years , so your timeframe is a little skew-if.

Anyone who disagrees with these policies are deemed far right or some other derogatory term, which kind of defeats your point and causes more confusion and divisive rhetoric.

[Tuerto]

That’s a good measured post , but I don’t think what you’re referring to has been in existence for about 10 years or so, at least within the Uk.

The woke agenda has only gotten more and more mainstream in the last 2 years , so your timeframe is a little skew-if.

Anyone who disagrees with these policies are deemed far right or some other derogatory term, which kind of defeats your point and causes more confusion and divisive rhetoric.

I have no problem with people who are critical of such policies, as long as it's an informed argument. I have no problem with people seeing things a different way to me, more power to them in order to express their thoughts and opinions. What i don't like is Trump and his gang using something like this in ofder to beat a certain group of people with a big shitty stick.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Personally, I think that the terms 'political correftness' and 'woke' should often be set aside and each individual case be considered.

[William Treseder]

It really doesn’t matter what a Cardiff City MB thinks of Trump. The majority of voters in the most powerful nation on Earth want him as their leader.
That suggest to me that previous modern day American presidents have fallen short big time.

[JamesWales]

Great post Tuerto

Said with absolutely zero evidence.

Are you and Bob really justifying people not getting jobs because of the skin colour of the parents they were born to? Because that's what we are talking about about here.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/31/us-news/faa-embroiled-in-lawsuit-alleging-it-turned-away-1000-applicants-based-on-race/

[Wash DC Blue]

So again…
Plenty of posts, none to do with the disaster, just point scoring.

This is why we are ****ed.
I think I posted on this message board at the beginning of Covid that it could reunite people.
Fat ****ing Chance.

67 people lost their lives and people are talking politics.

If you want to be a **** about it..you could compare it to how big a story it is to the daily tragedies everywhere else.

Sorry to be a **** myself but get a ****ing grip on yourselves!!

I’ve been drinking sorry…but my sentiment is true.
Do we ever want to get close to being on the same page again or not?

[JamesWales]

There is zero interest in the disaster. It's a proxy for the same people to say the exact same things about the exact same person they've been saying for the last few years. It's pointless.

Any deviation from that is criticised.

[NYCBlue]

Statement by a would-be controller yesterday:-

Mr Brigida graduated from Arizona State University’s collegiate training initiative in 2013 – a partnership program with the FAA that was previously used to train and select the most qualified applicants.
Andrew Brigida, 35, scored 100 per cent in his training exam but claims he was denied a position in an air traffic control tower because the recruitment process of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) favoured diverse candidates.

He is part of a class action lawsuit filed against the federal agency.

Speaking after the disaster that killed 67 people, Mr Brigida claimed that years of diversity hiring meant it was only a matter of time before an accident happened.

“You want to hire the best and the brightest for this kind of job because it is a very stressful job and it can take a toll on you, age you prematurely,” he told The Telegraph.

“You want to make sure that the people that are doing it are the best.”
After scoring top marks in his air traffic control selection and training examination, he was placed on a preferred candidate list, until the FAA changed the rules.

Under the Obama administration, the regulator replaced a skills-based test with a biographical questionnaire to attract more diverse applicants.

When Mr Brigida tried again to become an air traffic controller under the new tests, he said he failed the biographical questionnaire because he “didn’t fit the preferred ethnic profile.

He graduated in 2013 and the reason he STILL doesn't have a job in ATC is because he's not a minority? And this is Biden's fault, but not Trump's fault? Did he not apply for any ATC jobs between 2017 and 2021?

[the other bob wilson]

There is zero interest in the disaster. It's a proxy for the same people to say the exact same things about the exact same person they've been saying for the last few years. It's pointless.

Any deviation from that is criticised.

Says the person who io being entirely predictable in seeking to justify Trump's gaslighting - Trump, the man who more than once talked about "black jobs" (I suppose they're his idea of positive discrimination) during the election campaign. .

I know it's the hated BBC and it's all about seeming, gathering and feeling these days, but this fact checking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyeg61pnl5o

shows that the number of people with "targeted disabilities" in the FAA almost tripled between the years 2016 to 2023 to the extent that they now make up a whopping 2 per cent of the workforce. During the same period the percentage of white males employed by the FAA dropped from 59 to 55 per cent. As mentioned above, Trump is gaslighting and let's not forget that when he has a go at anything Obama did as President which is still on the statute books, he's drawing attention. to the fact that he did nothing about it during his first term in the White House.

I've said in this thread that at least one Democrat politician blamed Trump in the immediate aftermath of the crash and that's as disgusting at what Trump said, but with power comes responsibility and I'd say every President before this one would consider that before wading in with all guns blazing.

To make out that anyone reacting to Trump's trademark insensitivity is somehow ignoring the tragedy which took place earlier this week is unfair and unjustified - I don't think anyone in this thread is blaming him for what happened, they're reacting to what he appears to see as his main priority post crash.