Defeats by five or more goals

[The Lone Gunman]

If my calculations are correct, Cardiff City have been beaten by five or more goals in 16 league matches during the last 50 years. Four of those defeats came at home (three at Ninian Park, one at the CCS) and 12 were away.

They were as follows:

1 - 6 v Sheffield United (H, 03/12/1977)
1 - 7 v Luton Town (A, 16/09/1978)
0 - 5 v Brighton & Hove Albion (A, 26/12/1978)
0 - 5 v Cambridge United (A, 13/01/1979)
0 - 5 v Bolton Wanderers (A, 22/03/1986)
1 - 6 v Port Vale (A, 17/09/1988)
0 - 5 v Maidstone United (H, 01/01/1992)
0 - 5 v York City (A, 02/10/1993)
2 - 7 v Cambridge United (H, 30/04/1994)
0 - 5 v Preston North End (A, 01/01/1996)
0 - 6 v Preston North End (A, 18/04/2009)
0 - 5 v Manchester City (H, 22/09/2018)
1 - 6 v Queens Park Rangers (A, 01/01/2020)
0 - 5 v Sheffield Wednesday (A, 05/04/2021)
0 - 5 v Burnley (A, 17/08/2024)
0 - 7 v Leeds United (A, 01/02/2025)

How many of those hammerings did you witness first hand? I was present at seven of them.

[lardy]

1996-2018

Just the one hammering in over two decades. But, it was THAT game...

[Dave Blue]

If my calculations are correct, Cardiff City have been beaten by five or more goals in 16 league matches during the last 50 years. Four of those defeats came at home (three at Ninian Park, one at the CCS) and 12 were away.

They were as follows:

1 - 6 v Sheffield United (H, 03/12/1977)
1 - 7 v Luton Town (A, 16/09/1978)
0 - 5 v Brighton & Hove Albion (A, 26/12/1978)
0 - 5 v Cambridge United (A, 13/01/1979)
0 - 5 v Bolton Wanderers (A, 22/03/1986)
1 - 6 v Port Vale (A, 17/09/1988)
0 - 5 v Maidstone United (H, 01/01/1992)
0 - 5 v York City (A, 02/10/1993)
2 - 7 v Cambridge United (H, 30/04/1994)
0 - 5 v Preston North End (A, 01/01/1996)
0 - 6 v Preston North End (A, 18/04/2009)
0 - 5 v Manchester City (H, 22/09/2018)
1 - 6 v Queens Park Rangers (A, 01/01/2020)
0 - 5 v Sheffield Wednesday (A, 05/04/2021)
0 - 5 v Burnley (A, 17/08/2024)
0 - 7 v Leeds United (A, 01/02/2025)

How many of those hammerings did you witness first hand? I was present at seven of them.

Six

[Sloop_Jon_Bee]

We also got beat 6-3 at Bolton the game after the 6-1 at home to Sheffield united in 1977/78 season Dave.
Spedger

[The Lone Gunman]

We also got beat 6-3 at Bolton the game after the 6-1 at home to Sheffield united in 1977/78 season Dave.
Spedger

We did, Robin Friday’s last game, but that’s a three-goal defeat as opposed to a defeat by five goals or more.

Trying to remember the name of the grey-haired Sheffield Utd player who I think did City a lot of damage in that 6-1 defeat but it won’t come to me.

[61adb]

If my calculations are correct, Cardiff City have been beaten by five or more goals in 16 league matches during the last 50 years. Four of those defeats came at home (three at Ninian Park, one at the CCS) and 12 were away.

They were as follows:

1 - 6 v Sheffield United (H, 03/12/1977)
1 - 7 v Luton Town (A, 16/09/1978)
0 - 5 v Brighton & Hove Albion (A, 26/12/1978)
0 - 5 v Cambridge United (A, 13/01/1979)
0 - 5 v Bolton Wanderers (A, 22/03/1986)
1 - 6 v Port Vale (A, 17/09/1988)
0 - 5 v Maidstone United (H, 01/01/1992)
0 - 5 v York City (A, 02/10/1993)
2 - 7 v Cambridge United (H, 30/04/1994)
0 - 5 v Preston North End (A, 01/01/1996)
0 - 6 v Preston North End (A, 18/04/2009)
0 - 5 v Manchester City (H, 22/09/2018)
1 - 6 v Queens Park Rangers (A, 01/01/2020)
0 - 5 v Sheffield Wednesday (A, 05/04/2021)
0 - 5 v Burnley (A, 17/08/2024)
0 - 7 v Leeds United (A, 01/02/2025)

How many of those hammerings did you witness first hand? I was present at seven of them.

7 for me

Alan Woodward (Sheffield Utd)

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Only one..0.5 at Cambridge.
Was also at the 0.0..at Cambridge..with 8 men.

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Alan Biley hat trick

[The Lone Gunman]

Alan Woodward (Sheffield Utd)

Excellent, thanks. That’s the man.

I would have only been ten years old watching that game, but I can remember how distinctive Woodward looked with his big mop of grey hair. Pretty sure he caused City all sorts of problems that day. I have a Sheffield Utd history book in the attic so I’ll check it out tomorrow and see if he was in the team for that game or whether I’m maybe thinking of another.

[Parti Mellow]

In that Cambridge 1994 game I gave up watching at 5 and when I got back to the car it was 7-2. City till I die though

[Eric the Half a Bee]

If my calculations are correct, Cardiff City have been beaten by five or more goals in 16 league matches during the last 50 years. Four of those defeats came at home (three at Ninian Park, one at the CCS) and 12 were away.

They were as follows:

1 - 6 v Sheffield United (H, 03/12/1977)
1 - 7 v Luton Town (A, 16/09/1978)
0 - 5 v Brighton & Hove Albion (A, 26/12/1978)
0 - 5 v Cambridge United (A, 13/01/1979)
0 - 5 v Bolton Wanderers (A, 22/03/1986)
1 - 6 v Port Vale (A, 17/09/1988)
0 - 5 v Maidstone United (H, 01/01/1992)
0 - 5 v York City (A, 02/10/1993)
2 - 7 v Cambridge United (H, 30/04/1994)
0 - 5 v Preston North End (A, 01/01/1996)
0 - 6 v Preston North End (A, 18/04/2009)
0 - 5 v Manchester City (H, 22/09/2018)
1 - 6 v Queens Park Rangers (A, 01/01/2020)
0 - 5 v Sheffield Wednesday (A, 05/04/2021)
0 - 5 v Burnley (A, 17/08/2024)
0 - 7 v Leeds United (A, 01/02/2025)

How many of those hammerings did you witness first hand? I was present at seven of them.

Just the 1 - Man City at home. I don't do away games, think it's only 3 since I started following the club in the 90s.

The Swansea 4-0 was a far worse feeling than that. Probably the worst I've felt coming out of a home game.

I thought it would be worth looking to see how we did after a battering like those: 15 previous games since 1977, 4 wins, 7 draws and 4 defeats followed a defeat by 5 or more goals.

[jeepster]

Only 5 thankfully.

[splott parker]

If my calculations are correct, Cardiff City have been beaten by five or more goals in 16 league matches during the last 50 years. Four of those defeats came at home (three at Ninian Park, one at the CCS) and 12 were away.

They were as follows:

1 - 6 v Sheffield United (H, 03/12/1977)
1 - 7 v Luton Town (A, 16/09/1978)
0 - 5 v Brighton & Hove Albion (A, 26/12/1978)
0 - 5 v Cambridge United (A, 13/01/1979)
0 - 5 v Bolton Wanderers (A, 22/03/1986)
1 - 6 v Port Vale (A, 17/09/1988)
0 - 5 v Maidstone United (H, 01/01/1992)
0 - 5 v York City (A, 02/10/1993)
2 - 7 v Cambridge United (H, 30/04/1994)
0 - 5 v Preston North End (A, 01/01/1996)
0 - 6 v Preston North End (A, 18/04/2009)
0 - 5 v Manchester City (H, 22/09/2018)
1 - 6 v Queens Park Rangers (A, 01/01/2020)
0 - 5 v Sheffield Wednesday (A, 05/04/2021)
0 - 5 v Burnley (A, 17/08/2024)
0 - 7 v Leeds United (A, 01/02/2025)

How many of those hammerings did you witness first hand? I was present at seven of them.

Question to you Dave, How come you didn’t post for six days after we beat Swansea, biggest winning margin (nowhere near seven I know) against them for 60 years. Yet you’ve posted a dozen times since yesterday’s battering? Genuine question.

[the other bob wilson]

Although there were only four games left to play, Preston 6 Cardiff 0 was a season defining result - we were a much different team after it than we were before it. I understand the need to treat yesterday as a one off, a bit of a freak, but that would have been the biggest thrashing they’ve suffered in their career for most of them.

[olderblue]

If my calculations are correct, Cardiff City have been beaten by five or more goals in 16 league matches during the last 50 years. Four of those defeats came at home (three at Ninian Park, one at the CCS) and 12 were away.

They were as follows:

1 - 6 v Sheffield United (H, 03/12/1977)
1 - 7 v Luton Town (A, 16/09/1978)
0 - 5 v Brighton & Hove Albion (A, 26/12/1978)
0 - 5 v Cambridge United (A, 13/01/1979)
0 - 5 v Bolton Wanderers (A, 22/03/1986)
1 - 6 v Port Vale (A, 17/09/1988)
0 - 5 v Maidstone United (H, 01/01/1992)
0 - 5 v York City (A, 02/10/1993)
2 - 7 v Cambridge United (H, 30/04/1994)
0 - 5 v Preston North End (A, 01/01/1996)
0 - 6 v Preston North End (A, 18/04/2009)
0 - 5 v Manchester City (H, 22/09/2018)
1 - 6 v Queens Park Rangers (A, 01/01/2020)
0 - 5 v Sheffield Wednesday (A, 05/04/2021)
0 - 5 v Burnley (A, 17/08/2024)
0 - 7 v Leeds United (A, 01/02/2025)

How many of those hammerings did you witness first hand? I was present at seven of them.

Eight, and I Still went to Cambridge after going to Brighton on Boxing Day and I’m convinced it was a 12.00Ko🤔

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Although there were only four games left to play, Preston 6 Cardiff 0 was a season defining result - we were a much different team after it than we were before it. I understand the need to treat yesterday as a one off, a bit of a freak, but that would have been the biggest thrashing they’ve suffered in their career for most of them.

2009 before preston.jpg

Wasn't it just. This was the table on the morning of the game. 4 points adrift of automatic with a game in hand, 8 points ahead of Preston with GD that was +18 better than them. I don't know what the odds would have been on Preston making the playoffs at our expense, but I reckon you'd be close to matching Elon Musk's personal wealth with a 1p stake.

As it was, Birmingham finished off with 83 points. 10 points from our last 4 games that season would have been one hell of an effort. I think the Ipswich game was just as defining - 1 point needed for the playoffs. We were well beaten in a dismal, flat performance so typical of us under Jones when it was really needed and I doubt many felt we'd get anything at Sheffield Wednesday on the last day.

[Sloop_Jon_Bee]

Excellent, thanks. That’s the man.

I would have only been ten years old watching that game, but I can remember how distinctive Woodward looked with his big mop of grey hair. Pretty sure he caused City all sorts of problems that day. I have a Sheffield Utd history book in the attic so I’ll check it out tomorrow and see if he was in the team for that game or whether I’m maybe thinking of another.

Alan woodward Dave.
Spedger

[dandywarhol]

Didn't Parkin do a job on us at Preston, after we had beat Burnley at home on Easter Sunday.We looked nailed on for automatic promotion after the Burnley game,

[NYCBlue]

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[The Lone Gunman]

Question to you Dave, How come you didn’t post for six days after we beat Swansea, biggest winning margin (nowhere near seven I know) against them for 60 years. Yet you’ve posted a dozen times since yesterday’s battering? Genuine question.

In the days leading up to the derby I was diagnosed with a significant medical condition and was also battling a chest infection. I probably shouldn't have gone to the game under the circumstances, but I did, and I'm glad I did. However, I paid for it alright, and was laid low for a few days during the week that followed. Therefore, CCMB was way down my list of priorities.

[the other bob wilson]

In the days leading up to the derby I was diagnosed with a significant medical condition and was also battling a chest infection. I probably shouldn't have gone to the game under the circumstances, but I did, and I'm glad I did. However, I paid for it alright, and was laid low for a few days during the week that followed. Therefore, CCMB was way down my list of priorities.

Hope the “significant medical condition” is treatable and you can make a full recovery from it Dave.

[splott parker]

In the days leading up to the derby I was diagnosed with a significant medical condition and was also battling a chest infection. I probably shouldn't have gone to the game under the circumstances, but I did, and I'm glad I did. However, I paid for it alright, and was laid low for a few days during the week that followed. Therefore, CCMB was way down my list of priorities.

Reason accepted, glad you’re better and your post count is back on track……….. You’ll still be monitored should we ever have another significant victory
Lot of that ailment going about, it had me a few weeks back, a course of steroids & antibiotics did the trick, took 5 days though. My missus has it now, I was knackered yesterday morning after Leeds so she didn’t put the side lamp on to take her first batch of pills. The dose is 6 steroid tablets, she was about to put the 5th in but realised she was taking the wrong ones. Cue a visit to Dr Google and a trip to Heath Hospital at 7am.
Excellent service up there, home within the hour with OD instructions, she had a day of flushing things through. Lesson is, if you have different medication on your bedside table always turn the light on.

[the other bob wilson]

The result on Saturday cannot be changed, it's happened and the important thing now is how we respond to it. Having picked out the 6-0 at Preston to take a glass half empty view on the aftermath of a thrashing, it's only fair that I look into what happened after the other games listed in the OP and, hopefully, this will result in more of a glass half full interpretation - where possible, I'll look at the six games played after a heavty defeat as I reckon that's a large enough number to get a definite idea as to how we reacted.

City 1 Sheff Utd 6 12/77 - it's already been mentioned that we conceded six more at Bolton, who were toip of the table at the time, in our next match, we then drew 0-0 at home to Hull before winning two and losing two in the next four (despite the thrashing by Sheffield United, this was a season where we were strong at home and terrible away and through the second half of that season we tended to win at ninian Park and lose away).

Luton 7 City 1 9/78 - we were bottom pf the table at the time, but six games later we were up to 17th as we responded really well to what happened at Luton by winning four and drawing one of our next six games.

Brighton 5 City 0 12/78 - strange one this, a cold, snowy winter meant that we didn't play our next home league game until the end of February. The two league games we were able to play between Boxing Day and our next home match included anpther 5-0 loss, at Cambridge and a 0-0 draw, but then when the weather relented and fixtures returned to normal, we won four on the trot!

Cambridge 5 City 0 1/79
The four matches we played after this were all won (see above) and they were followed by a draw and a defeat.

Bolton 5 City 0 3/86
I need say no more than Durban was our manager at the time, so you know how things went after this loss - a win, a draw and four losses!

Port Vale 6 City 1 9/88
Things were somewhat complicated by the fact that we were playing in Europe that year and winning games in that competition, but there wasn't a win in our next six league games after Port Vale, but there were four draws.

City 0 Maidstone 5 1/92
A notorious defeat, but we responded by winning five and drawing one of the next six league games.

Preston 5 City 0 1/96
The season when we finished 22nd in Division 4 - the next six games saw us win two, draw one and lose three which was probably a bit better than par for that season.

Preston 6 City 0 4/09 - already covered, we drew one and lost three of the remaining league games for that season. For what it's worth, we won one and drew one in our first two matches of the following season.

City 0 Man C 5 9/18 - part of a very testing set of fixtures to start that season, we won two and lost four in the next six games.

QPR 6 City 1 1/20 - a positive response, three wins and three draws.

Sheff W 5 City 0 4/21 - around the time it started to go wrong for Mick McCarthy, but we ended that season with two wins and four draws.

Burnley 5 City 0 8/24 - followed it up with a creditable draw at Swansea, but this was part of our poorest start to a season ever, so the next four games were lost before we managed a first win of the campaign in the next one.

So, the thirteen matches covered saw us win more than we lost in the next six games on six occasions and lose more than we won seven times. Given that it's more likely for struggling sides to be beaten by five or more in games, I'd say those figures give reason for hope that our loss at Leeds will not be the disaster for our season that the 6-0 at Preston was.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

2009 before preston.jpg

Wasn't it just. This was the table on the morning of the game. 4 points adrift of automatic with a game in hand, 8 points ahead of Preston with GD that was +18 better than them. I don't know what the odds would have been on Preston making the playoffs at our expense, but I reckon you'd be close to matching Elon Musk's personal wealth with a 1p stake.

As it was, Birmingham finished off with 83 points. 10 points from our last 4 games that season would have been one hell of an effort. I think the Ipswich game was just as defining - 1 point needed for the playoffs. We were well beaten in a dismal, flat performance so typical of us under Jones when it was really needed and I doubt many felt we'd get anything at Sheffield Wednesday on the last day.

I remember talking to Paul Parry a few years ago re. this game. He didn't elaborate but just said something had gone on the night before the match - I can well believe it. Re. the final game at Sheffield Wed. a point would have secured us a play off spot.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The result on Saturday cannot be changed, it's happened and the important thing now is how we respond to it. Having picked out the 6-0 at Preston to take a glass half empty view on the aftermath of a thrashing, it's only fair that I look into what happened after the other games listed in the OP and, hopefully, this will result in more of a glass half full interpretation - where possible, I'll look at the six games played after a heavty defeat as I reckon that's a large enough number to get a definite idea as to how we reacted.

City 1 Sheff Utd 6 12/77 - it's already been mentioned that we conceded six more at Bolton, who were toip of the table at the time, in our next match, we then drew 0-0 at home to Hull before winning two and losing two in the next four (despite the thrashing by Sheffield United, this was a season where we were strong at home and terrible away and through the second half of that season we tended to win at ninian Park and lose away).

Luton 7 City 1 9/78 - we were bottom pf the table at the time, but six games later we were up to 17th as we responded really well to what happened at Luton by winning four and drawing one of our next six games.

Brighton 5 City 0 12/78 - strange one this, a cold, snowy winter meant that we didn't play our next home league game until the end of February. The two league games we were able to play between Boxing Day and our next home match included anpther 5-0 loss, at Cambridge and a 0-0 draw, but then when the weather relented and fixtures returned to normal, we won four on the trot!

Cambridge 5 City 0 1/79
The four matches we played after this were all won (see above) and they were followed by a draw and a defeat.

Bolton 5 City 0 3/86
I need say no more than Durban was our manager at the time, so you know how things went after this loss - a win, a draw and four losses!

Port Vale 6 City 1 9/88
Things were somewhat complicated by the fact that we were playing in Europe that year and winning games in that competition, but there wasn't a win in our next six league games after Port Vale, but there were four draws.

City 0 Maidstone 5 1/92
A notorious defeat, but we responded by winning five and drawing one of the next six league games.

Preston 5 City 0 1/96
The season when we finished 22nd in Division 4 - the next six games saw us win two, draw one and lose three which was probably a bit better than par for that season.

Preston 6 City 0 4/09 - already covered, we drew one and lost three of the remaining league games for that season. For what it's worth, we won one and drew one in our first two matches of the following season.

City 0 Man C 5 9/18 - part of a very testing set of fixtures to start that season, we won two and lost four in the next six games.

QPR 6 City 1 1/20 - a positive response, three wins and three draws.

Sheff W 5 City 0 4/21 - around the time it started to go wrong for Mick McCarthy, but we ended that season with two wins and four draws.

Burnley 5 City 0 8/24 - followed it up with a creditable draw at Swansea, but this was part of our poorest start to a season ever, so the next four games were lost before we managed a first win of the campaign in the next one.

So, the thirteen matches covered saw us win more than we lost in the next six games on six occasions and lose more than we won seven times. Given that it's more likely for struggling sides to be beaten by five or more in games, I'd say those figures give reason for hope that our loss at Leeds will not be the disaster for our season that the 6-0 at Preston was.

Yes. Sometimes teams have a bad day at the office. We had a woeful one even by some of the crap standards we've shown over the last few seasons, but it won't be season defining, the first sign of the apocalypse etc.