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Thread: Senedd Election 2026

  1. #51

    Re: Senedd Election 2026

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    I have no idea what the first paragraph has to do with the conversation.

    Heathblue was highlighting the 20k headline because it reappeared in the Reform supporting dailies as a selling point to the less well off.

    It, and raising the 40% threshold for the well off from 50k to 70k and disproportionately making the latter more well off compared with those below the 20k threshold never really got challenged because the Reform boys were a protest party.

    Now, sensible people like you, fiscally educated, will surely be asking serious questions where the Ł90 billion givaway will be recuperated from.
    those aren't the only tax changes they're proposing - they also want to raise the threshold for inheritance tax to Ł2.5 million - and even then make it an option to pay it to a "charity" instead of to the exchequer.

    that's another massive unfunded gift to the very wealthy.

  2. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Because reform are a right wing capitalist party where cash and profit is king

    It's part of their DNA

    Farage is even further to the right than your hero Maggie
    Not really sure that's true Sludge

  3. #53

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    Loads of speculation on here. No elections for a year, why don't you all be open minded, sit back and see how Reform do in the numerous councils they now run?

  4. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Local govt is a strange one. Services have been cut but the inefficiencies are in how it's run and how it procures things in particular. I could tell a few stories believe me. And mass working from home has been (and still is) an utter disaster for service delivery.

    My dad had a new shower fitted two weeks ago (he's significantly disabled so needed an even more walk in one, with no lip at all) and the cost was Ł7,000. For a new shower. That's part of the problem, the use of consultants, the fact that contractors can so easily rip off because they know councils will pay anyway, even the fact that depts spend budgets or lose budgets means there is an encouragement to get money out the door.

    Local government isn't flushed with cash but there are way better ways to run things. That's why Im intrigued to see how Reform do in the councils they run. I don't think they will come even close to fixing the issues -many of which are beyond local authorities controls - but I'm interested to see.

    At it stands we have rising bills and declining services. It's hardly an argument for the status quo.
    You have all the jigsaw pieces and are mashing them together to make a different picture.

    Services have declined or disappeared primarily because councils have statutory responsibilities to a wider and wider reach, whilst budgets decrease in real terms.

    The right has only ever had one answer to the public sector and that is budget cuts and 'efficiency savings' so that is likely the safe space that reform fall back to when it comes time to outline a plan. The main issue with that is what ends up happening is they destroy the network of people supporting frontline workers, it's far easier politically to get rid of someone facilitating the smooth running of a service than somebody who is face to face with the public, at the same time you cancel any and every project that might create efficiencies in the future because you can't justify the spend. You do that and you end up with chaos, which leads to panic and paying consultants to do a job you previously had staff doing for a third of the cost.

    The reality is, local government salaries are shite, pension is a benefit, flexible working is a benefit, if those two things are downgraded/removed then you will be left with a less capable workforce.

    My job can be done remotely, there's literally no benefit me going into an office on a weekly basis and that's good for me because I live hundreds of miles away.

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    Re: Senedd Election 2026

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Not really sure that's true Sludge
    Farage pulled back on his immigration views only to get called out by Richard lowe and he subsequently went back to his original stance on it you'll have noticed that I think Farage is just a gate keeper and serves the same masters as the Tories and the Nasty Party. Have I mentioned it before 😂

  6. #56

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    I think that eluned morgan is an absolute disaster as is starmer

    I can only see reform sweeping the board at the next Welsh election

    Plaid are talking about being the next big thing and I would grudgingly prefer that to reform but I think it's curtains right across the board

    Grim times as far as I am concerned

  7. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I think that eluned morgan is an absolute disaster as is starmer

    I can only see reform sweeping the board at the next Welsh election

    Plaid are talking about being the next big thing and I would grudgingly prefer that to reform but I think it's curtains right across the board

    Grim times as far as I am concerned
    It'll be interesting (or perhaps horrifying) to see what Reform manage to do without Farage - in some ways Wales should be fertile round for their type of protest votes. But Farage is always such a dominant feature of his parties that they tend to fall to pieces without him.

    He's the most effective political communicator in a generation, so their opposition will have to try to take him out of the equation.
    He isn't standing in the senedd elections, he fronts a very english centric party, and his party don't seem to have much in the way of Welsh policies, and he's the face of the Brexit movement that hasn't exactly been a roaring success for wales.
    And their manifesto is complete nonsense, none of it adds up.

    There are certainly many areas that Reform should be weak on in Wales, it's just a question on whether the other parties can get that message out effectively.

  8. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    Farage pulled back on his immigration views only to get called out by Richard lowe and he subsequently went back to his original stance on it you'll have noticed that I think Farage is just a gate keeper and serves the same masters as the Tories and the Nasty Party. Have I mentioned it before ��
    Farage seems to have a very good feel for how far he can push those kind of views before you go too far and start losing more votes than you're gaining from it.
    Others in his party do not.

  9. #59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    It'll be interesting (or perhaps horrifying) to see what Reform manage to do without Farage - in some ways Wales should be fertile round for their type of protest votes. But Farage is always such a dominant feature of his parties that they tend to fall to pieces without him.

    He's the most effective political communicator in a generation, so their opposition will have to try to take him out of the equation.
    He isn't standing in the senedd elections, he fronts a very english centric party, and his party don't seem to have much in the way of Welsh policies, and he's the face of the Brexit movement that hasn't exactly been a roaring success for wales.
    And their manifesto is complete nonsense, none of it adds up.

    There are certainly many areas that Reform should be weak on in Wales, it's just a question on whether the other parties can get that message out effectively.
    It shows how bad labour is in Wales that huge chunks of the population will be voting reform at the next assembly election

    An English right wing party

    It's almost so bad it's funny

    Unstoppable now unfortunately

  10. #60

    Re: Senedd Election 2026

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Farage seems to have a very good feel for how far he can push those kind of views before you go too far and start losing more votes than you're gaining from it.
    Others in his party do not.
    I think most Reform voters don't care if the language is over the top towards immigrants etc

    They love it which is why so many of them are voting for reform

  11. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I think most Reform voters don't care if the language is over the top towards immigrants etc

    They love it which is why so many of them are voting for reform
    Negative language towards immigrants is very different to negative language about mass immigration. The latter is fine. The former isn't.

  12. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Negative language towards immigrants is very different to negative language about mass immigration. The latter is fine. The former isn't.
    Reform have loads of both

    The comments coming out now they are above the trenches are appalling

    It will out come out in the wash

    These people have a party to vote for so it's up to the rest to forget about trying to placate them and deal with the core issues in a sensible and practical way

    The Economy

    Immigration

    The NHS

    That's it

  13. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Farage seems to have a very good feel for how far he can push those kind of views before you go too far and start losing more votes than you're gaining from it.
    Others in his party do not.
    Yeah he's clearly their biggest asset, interesting that he won't be allowed in any of the Welsh debates due to not being a candidate

    Plaid have had a few false dawns but this is the second consecutive poll they've led in. As Bob said Labour should have been out last time and Plaid did actually lead the last poll before Covid (which saved that Labour government in many ways)

    Plaid looked well ahead with younger voters in the most recent poll as well, is it a one off or people who've grown up with the Senedd coming of age and naturally leaning that way a bit more than their elders? Support for abolishing the Senedd, for instance, is almost entirely confined to those over 55 whilst polling shows those under that age are almost overwhelmingly in favour of more powers or even independence

  14. #64

    Re: Senedd Election 2026

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Yeah he's clearly their biggest asset, interesting that he won't be allowed in any of the Welsh debates due to not being a candidate

    Plaid have had a few false dawns but this is the second consecutive poll they've led in. As Bob said Labour should have been out last time and Plaid did actually lead the last poll before Covid (which saved that Labour government in many ways)

    Plaid looked well ahead with younger voters in the most recent poll as well, is it a one off or people who've grown up with the Senedd coming of age and naturally leaning that way a bit more than their elders? Support for abolishing the Senedd, for instance, is almost entirely confined to those over 55 whilst polling shows those under that age are almost overwhelmingly in favour of more powers or even independence
    I will only vote plaid to keep reform out as a tactical vote

    If it's clear reform are walking away with things I will vote green or liberal

    Labour will only get my vote if they sort themselves out

    Apart from the fear of reform getting in the biggest issue for many is the utterly stupid idea of increasing by 30 the number of assembly members

    At a time of hardship for many it stinks and has passed a lot of people off

    It will be almost funny if reform get a large amount of those extra seats

    What a complete farce for the nationalists that will be

    The yes cymru marches are not a sign of an increased fervour for independence at all

    More people attend ccfc games

  15. #65

    Re: Senedd Election 2026

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Yeah he's clearly their biggest asset, interesting that he won't be allowed in any of the Welsh debates due to not being a candidate

    Plaid have had a few false dawns but this is the second consecutive poll they've led in. As Bob said Labour should have been out last time and Plaid did actually lead the last poll before Covid (which saved that Labour government in many ways)

    Plaid looked well ahead with younger voters in the most recent poll as well, is it a one off or people who've grown up with the Senedd coming of age and naturally leaning that way a bit more than their elders? Support for abolishing the Senedd, for instance, is almost entirely confined to those over 55 whilst polling shows those under that age are almost overwhelmingly in favour of more powers or even independence
    I would imagine people who have grown up with the Welsh assembly realise what a shambolic nonsense it is

    Right across the board the elected representatives have been inadequate

    If whoever runs the place after the next election sorts it out then good luck to them although I can't imagine reform doing that

    In addition the Welsh electorate are hardly foaming at the mouth regarding the assembly ....not once since it was created have 50 percent of those eligible bothered voting

    It's no good giving that sort of institution more powers and members is it ?

  16. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I would imagine people who have grown up with the Welsh assembly realise what a shambolic nonsense it is

    Right across the board the elected representatives have been inadequate

    If whoever runs the place after the next election sorts it out then good luck to them although I can't imagine reform doing that

    In addition the Welsh electorate are hardly foaming at the mouth regarding the assembly ....not once since it was created have 50 percent of those eligible bothered voting

    It's no good giving that sort of institution more powers and members is it ?
    Well every statistic and poll goes against you there Sludge

  17. #67

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Well every statistic and poll goes against you there Sludge
    Here's a statistic for you

    5000 people marched for Welsh independence recently

    More people watch Cardiff City

  18. #68

    Re: Senedd Election 2026

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Here's a statistic for you

    5000 people marched for Welsh independence recently

    More people watch Cardiff City
    Your point is?

    Getting a few thousand together for a protest march ain't bad going to be fair, and apparently it was nearer 7k: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0zpz2ev6eo

    That's far more than any of the Welsh political parties get for their conferences, for instance. I know you disagree with them, but I can't think of many things that would get 7,000 people out on a Sunday in Barry

    I guess you saw the stats and polls and realised you were wrong about young people?

  19. #69

    Re: Senedd Election 2026

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Your point is?

    Getting a few thousand together for a protest march ain't bad going to be fair, and apparently it was nearer 7k: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0zpz2ev6eo

    That's far more than any of the Welsh political parties get for their conferences, for instance. I know you disagree with them, but I can't think of many things that would get 7,000 people out on a Sunday in Barry

    I guess you saw the stats and polls and realised you were wrong about young people?
    My point is if you think 5000 people waving Welsh flags in a country that you want to believe is marching towards independence is proof ...then I think you are deluded

    The rise in the Plaid vote is because Labour have been so shocking recently

    They will be loaned votes to try and keep reform out apart from those living in fantasy land who think we could survive as an independent nation

    We have more in common in this part of the country with Bristol and Somerset and the M4 Corridor .......part urban , part semi urban , part rural ....than we do with the remote Ceredigion hills

    If we were to go with Plaid to it's inevitable conclusion Cardiff and South East Wales would not have the financial taxation and infrastructure base to support hill farmers and rural schools and hospitals in mid , west and north wales

    I hope to God that message is rammed home after the initial elation of your lot next May because if it isn't many of those independents living in pontcanna won't have to suffer like the poor sods in the rest of the country 😢

  20. #70

    Re: Senedd Election 2026

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Your point is?

    Getting a few thousand together for a protest march ain't bad going to be fair, and apparently it was nearer 7k: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0zpz2ev6eo

    That's far more than any of the Welsh political parties get for their conferences, for instance. I know you disagree with them, but I can't think of many things that would get 7,000 people out on a Sunday in Barry

    I guess you saw the stats and polls and realised you were wrong about young people?
    Shocking defeat for Plaid in Llanelli yesterday

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