FAC. FT: Crystal Palace 1 - 0 Man City

[the other bob wilson]

You’ve just got to stay up one season and push on from there. One time we were close.

We can build back from here. I’ve not given up hope. One day we’ll be there celebrating - and I don’t mean for the Papa John’s or whatever it’s called now

No other team has done what we have (get into the Premier League more than once and get relegated every time). I’m sorry, but every time I see teams like Palace, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Fulham doing something notable in the Premier League, it shows how clueless we’ve been when it comes to competing in the top flight and now, after never having a problem coping with the Championship, we’ve regressed under Tan to a position far worse than when he bought us.

[J R Hartley]

Have you got out of the wrong side of the bed again? Why do you dissect posts to make some meaningless points?
We all know how football is going now. It’s the formats and make up of some of the competitions I don’t like, which is my opinion and I’m entitled to it.
I’m not stuck in the dark ages. In fact I embrace change and progress when I feel it’s right.
You seem to think you’re some kind sage on here, and woe betide anyone with a different view on things than you.

He could give my wife a run for her money in trying to score points over absolutely meaningless matters and she has a black belt in pedantry.

[The Bloop]

Regardless of the interpretation of the rules by VAR.

I'm not so sure whether Henderson touched the ball outside the box.

The first angle appears to freeze the frame at a moment when Henderson's arm is outstretched, suggesting handball outside the box. However, a different angle reveals Henderson is not actually touching the ball at that precise moment.

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Look again at the TV replays ... I think that Henderson touched the ball virtually above the white line.

He definitely touched it outside the box. His foot was on the line, his arm was outstretched out side of the box swiping the ball away.

[lardy]

Regardless of the interpretation of the rules by VAR.

I'm not so sure whether Henderson touched the ball outside the box.

The first angle appears to freeze the frame at a moment when Henderson's arm is outstretched, suggesting handball outside the box. However, a different angle reveals Henderson is not actually touching the ball at that precise moment.

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Look again at the TV replays ... I think that Henderson touched the ball virtually above the white line.

Definitely looks outside from other angles

[the other bob wilson]

Definitely looks outside from other angles

Agreed, I don't think Palace could have had many complaints if Henderson had been shown a red card - also thought the penalty could have been retaken for him moving beforehand. I'm not complaining though, good on Palace and I'm just surprised that the media are making it out to be something akin to Wimbledon beating Liverpool in 1988 - sfter the way they took Villa apart in the Semi Final, I definitely fancied Palace to win.

[BLUETIT]

Am I missing something here ???????

As long as his FEET were inside the box, Shirley it’s not handball ??

[lardy]

Am I missing something here ???????

As long as his FEET were inside the box, Shirley it’s not handball ??

Is that actually a law? I've seen it on social media, but I can't find anything more reliable than that. None of the VAR team comments I've seen have addressed it.

If a goalies feet are on the pitch in front of the goal line but he carries it over the goal line it's a goal. How is this different?

There is a discussion here that I found. Again, doesn't seem to suggest what you say exists. Post #14 says the position of feet is irrelevant

https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/if...the-pa.2132592

[BLUETIT]

Is that actually a law? I've seen it on social media, but I can't find anything more reliable than that. None of the VAR team comments I've seen have addressed it.

If a goalies feet are on the pitch in front of the goal line but he carries it over the goal line it's a goal. How is this different?

There is a discussion here that I found. Again, doesn't seem to suggest what you say exists. Post #14 says the position of feet is irrelevant

https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/if...the-pa.2132592

Since I posted, without having a cup of coffee to wake up, I’ve realised that in the past, I’ve seen goalkeepers dive to get the ball and end up with their feet outside the box, but their hands inside and no free kick has been given.

Lesson learnt, don’t post before waking up 🔝

[The Lone Gunman]

Agreed, I don't think Palace could have had many complaints if Henderson had been shown a red card - also thought the penalty could have been retaken for him moving beforehand.

?????

Goalkeepers can move before a penalty is taken. It’s not against the rules and hasn’t been for a long, long time.

[Forest Green Bluebird]

?????

Goalkeepers can move before a penalty is taken. It’s not against the rules and hasn’t been for a long, long time.

When the ball is kicked, the goalkeeper must have at least part of one foot touching, in line with, or behind, the goal line.

[The Lone Gunman]

When the ball is kicked, the goalkeeper must have at least part of one foot touching, in line with, or behind, the goal line.

I know. And he did.

[Forest Green Bluebird]

He definitely touched it outside the box. His foot was on the line, his arm was outstretched out side of the box swiping the ball away.

The freeze pane shown immediately after the incident and in the media shows his outstretched arm well outside the area.

There is no conclusive evidence to suggest that his hand touched the ball at that precise moment.

[Forest Green Bluebird]

I know. And he did.

I was just agreeing with your response to TOBW and quoting the rule.

[the other bob wilson]

?????

Goalkeepers can move before a penalty is taken. It’s not against the rules and hasn’t been for a long, long time.

I meant he may have been off the line.

[The Lone Gunman]

I meant he may have been off the line.

I didn't think so at the time. Just watched a couple of replays and his left foot clearly looks to be on or just behind the line when the kick is taken. As bad as it is, I'm sure VAR would have intervened if it wasn't.

[The Lone Gunman]

I was just agreeing with your response to TOBW and quoting the rule.

[The Lone Gunman]

For all its detractors, the FA Cup seems to have become a lot more competitive in recent years than it has been for a long time.

These are the numbers of new names on the trophy during each decade since 1960:

1960 to 1969 - 2 (West Ham and Liverpool)
1970 to 1979 - 4 (Chelsea, Leeds, Southampton and Ipswich)
1980 to 1989 - 2 (Coventry and Wimbledon)
1990 to 1999 - 0
2000 to 2009 - 0 (although Portsmouth did win it for the first time since 1939)
2010 to 2019 - 1 (Wigan)
2020 to 2025 - 2 (Leicester and Crystal Palace)

These are the numbers of different teams who won the cup during each of those decades:

1960 to 1969 - 8
1970 to 1979 - 9
1980 to 1989 - 7
1990 to 1999 - 6
2000 to 2009 - 5
2010 to 2019 - 5
2020 to 2025 - 6

These are the eventual Premier League finishing positions (and in Palace's case their current position) of the last six winners:

2020 - 8th (Arsenal)
2021 - 5th (Leicester)
2022 - 2nd (Liverpool)
2023 - 1st (Manchester City)
2024 - 8th (Manchester Utd)
2025 - 12th (Crystal Palace)

[Dorcus]

For all its detractors, the FA Cup seems to have become a lot more competitive in recent years than it has been for a long time.

These are the numbers of new names on the trophy during each decade since 1960:

1960 to 1969 - 2 (West Ham and Liverpool)
1970 to 1979 - 4 (Chelsea, Leeds, Southampton and Ipswich)
1980 to 1989 - 2 (Coventry and Wimbledon)
1990 to 1999 - 0
2000 to 2009 - 0 (although Portsmouth did win it for the first time since 1939)
2010 to 2019 - 1 (Wigan)
2020 to 2025 - 2 (Leicester and Crystal Palace)

These are the numbers of different teams who won the cup during each of those decades:

1960 to 1969 - 8
1970 to 1979 - 9
1980 to 1989 - 7
1990 to 1999 - 6
2000 to 2009 - 5
2010 to 2019 - 5
2020 to 2025 - 6

These are the eventual Premier League finishing positions (and in Palace's case their current position) of the last six winners:

2020 - 8th (Arsenal)
2021 - 5th (Leicester)
2022 - 2nd (Liverpool)
2023 - 1st (Manchester City)
2024 - 8th (Manchester Utd)
2025 - 12th (Crystal Palace)

There's lies, damned lies, and ... statistics

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Wonderful. This is pretty special as well https://x.com/TheJakeWarren/status/1...Ot2BeILKQ&s=19

[The Lone Gunman]

There's lies, damned lies, and ... statistics

And there are also facts, although in today’s world they don’t seem to matter much, particularly if they don’t tally with your own opinions.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Stat-en Island

We'd have to wait 10-15 years to see if it returns to the old numbers but I hope they do. It seems to me, based on nothing but idle thought, that while all the big massive teams used to rotate their squads in the FA Cup and still win anyway, maybe that doesn't quite work anymore.

As for yesterday's game - Man City seem to have an anti-piledriver strategy, probably because the stats suggest trying them is a waste of time, and they'd have a point. However, how many insipid diagonal crosses can you try before you realise they don't work either? Fair play to Palace though for keeping MC down to a plod.

[The Bloop]

The freeze pane shown immediately after the incident and in the media shows his outstretched arm well outside the area.

There is no conclusive evidence to suggest that his hand touched the ball at that precise moment.

Think you must be the only person who didn't see it. VAR also would have had more pictures to review than what we saw on tv.

[The Lone Gunman]

Think you must be the only person who didn't see it. VAR also would have had more pictures to review than what we saw on tv.

It looked a blatant red card to me. So much for the officials always favouring the big clubs. That particular theory went out of the window yesterday.

[William Treseder]

Honestly, this message board. It's hopeless.

What’s your thoughts on Spurs getting into the champions league next season ?
That’s the kind of thing that pisses me off about the formats in modern day football. Pathetic.

[The Lone Gunman]

What’s your thoughts on Spurs getting into the champions league next season ?

I couldn’t care less. Other than a couple of finals that were free to view, I haven’t watched a Champions League game live since my free BT subscription ran out about a decade ago.

I didn’t watch tonight’s game either. European club competitions don’t interest me much at all. As is the case with international football these days, the competition formats and qualifying criteria are just ridiculous as far as I’m concerned.