Oh Dear Gary

[Ninja]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

What the feck do you want me to say? You have the opinion that people with money aren't allowed any sort of socialist opinion. I disagree. It's entirely possible for wealthy people who have had working class upbringing to maintain those views even when they have money. There used to be a well-known radio presenter and jazz musician called Humphrey Lyttleton. He made a fortune out of music in his life yet he was always a staunch socialist his entire life and did amazing things for so many up and coming musicians.

You're right. I don't have a comeback. When I think someone is talking out of their arse, it's difficult to counter such stupidity.

I didn't "want" you to say anything Eric, and I wasn't trying to guide you to say anything in particular either, for the record.

I didn't say, either, that people with money aren't allowed an opinion!
Every man with the ability to vote is (obviously) entitled to cast a vote, and voice their opinion.

You're getting very defensive about wealthy people from working class backgrounds, is that the category you put yourself in?

It makes no odds to me what you have, or who you are, I just think some people are so far removed from reality that it's f*cking criminal.

It's all good when you own a little castle and can afford private healthcare.
It's really not good when you can't afford neither. Sometimes, people with those things, need to remember that there are MANY without those things

[Tuerto]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

What the feck do you want me to say? You have the opinion that people with money aren't allowed any sort of socialist opinion. I disagree. It's entirely possible for wealthy people who have had working class upbringing to maintain those views even when they have money. There used to be a well-known radio presenter and jazz musician called Humphrey Lyttleton. He made a fortune out of music in his life yet he was always a staunch socialist his entire life and did amazing things for so many up and coming musicians.

You're right. I don't have a comeback. When I think someone is talking out of their arse, it's difficult to counter such stupidity.

And what you will find is that when working class people do well financially out of their chosen skill, ability etc, then they're bloody good at it, they've earned the right.

[lardy]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

I didn't "want" you to say anything Eric, and I wasn't trying to guide you to say anything in particular either, for the record.

I didn't say, either, that people with money aren't allowed an opinion!
Every man with the ability to vote is (obviously) entitled to cast a vote, and voice their opinion.

You're getting very defensive about wealthy people from working class backgrounds, is that the category you put yourself in?

It makes no odds to me what you have, or who you are, I just think some people are so far removed from reality that it's f*cking criminal.

It's all good when you own a little castle and can afford private healthcare.
It's really not good when you can't afford neither. Sometimes, people with those things, need to remember that there are MANY without those things

Your last sentence is precisely what Eric was saying

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

And what you will find is that when working class people do well financially out of their chosen skill, ability etc, then they're bloody good at it, they've earned the right.

Absolutely.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

Your last sentence is precisely what Eric was saying

[Ninja]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

Your last sentence is precisely what Eric was saying

Eric wanted to turn it into a political shit-storm, read the thread.
Yet again, anybody who disagrees, is "right wing", it's getting tedious as f*ck on here lately, to be honest.

I've been labelled "right wing" myself, despite posting NOTHING that would suggest that being my stance.

I'm no f*cking wing, not right, not left, not even "centrist", I just think for myself.

It's what all of us "HYOOMAN'S" should do...
Instead of getting sucked in by political agenda's and bullshit, along with "social f*cking media".

[Divine Wright]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

Whilst MOTD is a lot of fawning nonsense at times how anyone could say it's better without the commentary is beyond me

I am glad Lineker spoke out against the conservatives

I get the impression that MOTD and the pundits on there are seen by the likes of The Athletic and the other journos as lightweight...... and to an extent I'd agree.

That said, I find Lineker, Wright, Shearer, Murphy and Richards to be quite a likeable bunch , with totally sound observations on the whole. Bit of a blokey, lad-banter vibe, but that's not heir fault.

When I think of the other gangs on Sky and BT etc (Carra, Neville, Keane, Souness) I think the characters on the bbc are way more palatable.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

I get the impression that MOTD and the pundits on there are seen by the likes of The Athletic and the other journos as lightweight...... and to an extent I'd agree.

That said, I find Lineker, Wright, Shearer, Murphy and Richards to be quite a likeable bunch , with totally sound observations on the whole. Bit of a blokey, lad-banter vibe, but that's not heir fault.

When I think of the other gangs on Sky and BT etc (Carra, Neville, Keane, Souness) I think the characters on the bbc are way more palatable.

BBC pundits can be annoying that clem Middlesbrough accent fella winds me up and shearer is on good money for saying nowt

Thank god lawrenson is out of a job mind

But ......when the Beeb lost the football to ITV I really couldn't watch it ......absolutely dreadful coverage

Sky is death as far as I am concerned . I don't have it and when I do see it I am glad I am not paying money for that .

[Ninja]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

Thank god lawrenson is out of a job mind

Really can't disagree with that.
Probably the most annoying "pundit" in the last 30 years.

[az city]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

Politics don't come into this for me, it's about moral's.
Lineker's in no position to tell any government what they should or shouldn't do from behind his fortified castle walls, while getting his teeth whitened and wearing Savile Row's finest suits.

Eat the rich.

Isn't a majority of the current government composed of the people you describe?

[pipster]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

Out of interest, why do you think he wouldnt want that? He has proven with his outside BBC work that he is popular else where and can earn much more than what the BBC are paying him. He genuinely seems to like working on MOTD

HMRC deemed him to be employed by the BBC whilst claiming to be an independent contract - Lineker lost the case and ordered to pay 4.6 million - the appeal is next month. He will use this claimb down by the bbc as proof he's independent - maybe all to coincidental

[lardy]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

HMRC deemed him to be employed by the BBC whilst claiming to be an independent contract - Lineker lost the case and ordered to pay 4.6 million - the appeal is next month. He will use this claimb down by the bbc as proof he's independent - maybe all to coincidental

I'm going to guess that you aren't a lawyer.

[lardy]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

Yesterday someone was saying lineker tweeted so he could leave the BBC for sky.

Now it's win the appeal against HMRC.

So many birds with one stone. What a mastermind this guy is, and to think we just thought he was a goal hanger.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Oh Dear Gary

Yesterday someone was saying lineker tweeted so he could leave the BBC for sky.

Now it's win the appeal against HMRC.

So many birds with one stone. What a mastermind this guy is, and to think we just thought he was a goal hanger.

I wasn't aware of his tax avoidance situation, but stick to my original comments, ie he knew exactly what he was doing with that post and the employment/legal implications of what reaction if any came from the BBC. It would be nice if just for a moment some people could bring him of that pedestal they've placed him on..