Riot in Ely

[chrisp_1927]

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So stupid for the police to lie about this. It was either a bare faced lie, or more likely a statement made when the person making it didn't have all information available. Instead of saying they don't know, they've blustered.

If the police were following them, it was probably justified. But that's all been lost behind the lie now.

Sheer incompetence by the police.

[The Bloop]

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So stupid for the police to lie about this. It was either a bare faced lie, or more likely a statement made when the person making it didn't have all information available. Instead of saying they don't know, they've blustered.

If the police were following them, it was probably justified. But that's all been lost behind the lie now.

Sheer incompetence by the police.

I don't know whether they were lying or not, but they've been extremely selective and careful with their wording.

[Rjk]

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I don't know whether they were lying or not, but they've been extremely selective and careful with their wording.

extremely selective and careful with wording - to try to misrepresent what happened. in other words , lying

[chrisp_1927]

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I don't know whether they were lying or not, but they've been extremely selective and careful with their wording.

Very true. Seems like they are trying to be a bit clever, but don't realise that people can see right through them.

Makes me feel very sorry for the police officers who were in that van. They'll probably be hung out to dry when the senior officers try and cover themselves.

[celticknight]

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I wish people would stop calling it an e-scooter. These "kids" were riding a £4k electric bike. You know, one of those things everyone who lives in one of the most deprived parts of Wales has. :shrug:

Also a little ironic that this happened on Snowden considering why Snowdon road is walled off by the Wilson Road junction. Time is a flat circle.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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They’re not illegal and there are numerous agents selling them throughout the UK. If you have £5k spare you could buy one tomorrow . The standard version is restricted to 30mph (no license required) but a derestricted one is capable of 50mph, they’re basically treated as a moped or scooter, as regards to licensing requirements, therefore helmets are a legal requirement.

UK laws do not allow any electric bike with twist-and-go throttle. A throttle assist allows users to thrust the bike forward using the turning motion on the handlebar.

The UK only permits electric bikes that have a pedal-assist motor.

https://eskute.co.uk/blogs/news/elec...assist%20motor.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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They’re not illegal and there are numerous agents selling them throughout the UK. If you have £5k spare you could buy one tomorrow . The standard version is restricted to 30mph (no license required) but a derestricted one is capable of 50mph, they’re basically treated as a moped or scooter, as regards to licensing requirements, therefore helmets are a legal requirement.

UK laws do not allow any electric bike with twist-and-go throttle. A throttle assist allows users to thrust the bike forward using the turning motion on the handlebar.

The UK only permits electric bikes that have a pedal-assist motor.

https://eskute.co.uk/blogs/news/elec...assist%20motor.

Pedal assist is legal until you chip them or move the magnet to derestrict them, although harder to spot because they look more like a normal bike and you still have to pedal.

[Feedback]

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Nice line but a bit disparaging. My experience both growing up and later is that some of the best and worst of humanity live cheek by jowl with each other in some of these areas. It's a constant battle for those fantastic people who give a feck about their community to win over those that don't and convert a few along the way.

When my daughter was at Swansea University she had a year in Port Tennant. I remember passing one terraced house where there was a discarded settee in an overgrown front garden. Next door a woman was polishing the front window stones of her spotlessly clean home.

It was only a little word play.

And I did part of my growing up in Ely, Highbury Road and pethybridge Road.

And I agree about the community spirit, the Ely festival was slways something we looked forward to as kids

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Alun Micheal was on the radio this morning saying there was no police chase .

Let's be fair here .....if a big cheese in the police is asked if police officers were chasing ....or following ...or whatever.... 2 youngsters who later died then if asked that question ......which the community were asking .....then surely you say the youngsters were being chased .....or the youngsters were being followed by officers ?

There's your chance

Not oh right well you didn't actually specifically ask us that !?

He's a Labour politician, surely he couldn't have been telling lies?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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He's a Labour politician, surely he couldn't have been telling lies?

All politicians are capable of fibbing

Especially the Tories you vote for

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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This morning he's said that this footage was taken 5 minutes before the crash ?

It's 1 minute before the crash

So up to one minute before the fatality the youngsters were being tailed by the police

If the police had said from the start officers in a van were following 2 youths on a scooter in Ely until 1 minute before the crash .....to which police officers attended ...

What's difficult about that ?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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UK laws do not allow any electric bike with twist-and-go throttle. A throttle assist allows users to thrust the bike forward using the turning motion on the handlebar.

The UK only permits electric bikes that have a pedal-assist motor.

https://eskute.co.uk/blogs/news/elec...assist%20motor.

Pedal assist is legal until you chip them or move the magnet to derestrict them, although harder to spot because they look more like a normal bike and you still have to pedal.

This says legal as a motorbike with all the rules that go with that- https://www.ginebikes.com/post/are-t...k#viewer-fd25t

[North Cardiff Blue]

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All politicians are capable of fibbing

Especially the Tories you vote for

What you think he lied about something as important as that, shocking if you are right.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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What you think he lied about something as important as that, shocking if you are right.

Well it's at best misinformation

[OurManFlint II]

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They’re a mode of transport used by millions daily across Europe and now in major cities in the UK. I used one in Berlin a couple of weekends ago (there are 20+ on every corner) & Gdańsk last weekend. They’re here to stay and will become more prolific. Of course there are ****** users but that applies to every mode of transport.

Been a feature in Spain for a few years. After 1 lady was killed in Madrid, within days local councils were given powers to create laws for their cities.
In Barcelona they are only allowed in the cycle lane, no pavement (bikes are allowed on pavements wider than 3.5 meters for example), absolutely no roads, 1 person per scooter, and a helmet is needed. Still loads of c0cks wizzing around but i know so many people with 200 euro fines for no helmet and a few 400/500 euro fines for riding in the bus lane. They are not allowed on any other forms of public transport (Tram, Metro, Train etc)

They make perfect sense in Barcelona as the city has the infrastructure and weather for it, plus an increasing need to reduce traffic and pollution.