Riot in Ely

[Tuerto]

Re: Riot in Ely

Lets also be honest here, the people out Rioting will not need a huge excuse to launch bricks at the police and burn out cars

Of course the Police should have been following them, do we let these type of idiots blast around on 30mph ( plus ) E-bikes and just say " oh thats ok, we dont want to upset them " then they slam into a old dear coming back from the corner shop and kill her

The last time anything like this happened in Ely was 1991, most of the people attacking the police weren't even born back then. As cretinous as they may be, and without consideration for peoples safety or their community and the welfare of the people who live in it, i would add that these idiots probably do need quite a huge excuse to go out and do what they did, that doesn't make it right, it was appalling, but don't fall into the trap of thinking that this kind of shit could happen on a regular basis. The good people of Ely are being failed by the Police, by the local authority, by the education system, and by the politicians. It'll probably take something like this to make them react and do something, although i very much doubt it.

[Tuerto]

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Being honest is what the police should have been doing from the start

We have had the police chief saying one thing , a chief superintendent saying something else ......once footage emerged of the van following them .....and today the assistant chief constable is in front of the press and cameras again ......admitting a van WAS following the boys

What's all that about and they must think some people came down in the last shower of rain ? !

The issue is not regarding the deaths of those two boys . Or criminal activity following the crash .

It's about the police reaction . It's all very well talking about the hard job the police have but nobody is forced to join and those at the top have got to engage properly and professionally with the public after incidents like this.

It's almost as if Cardiff City are running the show .

These bikes and scooters are running around Ely constantly, i know, i have to dodge around them. The police don't do shit about it, they park up in their vans and ignore it for the best part. They react when it suits them to do so.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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These bikes and scooters are running around Ely constantly, i know, i have to dodge around them. The police don't do shit about it, they park up in their vans and ignore it for the best part. They react when it suits them to do so.

Wether their reaction was good , bad or nothing at all it's the fact they have from the start failed to state exactly the situation that people saw .....a police van following two kids on a scooter .....that has caused confusion , mistrust and given some the excuse to get involved in confrontation

Let's imagine some people on here were in Ely and saw the scooter being followed by a police van

The crash occurs and on social media people start saying what they saw .....kids being followed by a van

The police come out and say there wasn't a chase etc ......

To a lot of people that's going to feel that they are being challenged on what they saw

Chase , pursuit , trailed , shadowed

You say potato , I say potato etc etc

It really doesn't matter

The police failed to make sure everyone knew that the boys were being followed but when they crashed the police had withdrawn

This is all down to this simple matter . This missed opportunity has lit the fuse .

[The Bloop]

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Were there any disturbances in Ely this evening?
Driving along Western Ave the along Cowbridge Rd towards Culver at around 7.45 could see a tall plume of smoke, then 2 fire engines with sirens on making their way towards it.

[NYCBlue]

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of course you did..who gives a feck about the dead.

Firstly, the two are not mutually exclusive. Secondly, as you can see by the title of this thread my comment was posted during the disturbances later in the evening and pertain to that and that only. I don't need to virtue signal any sympathies I have for the victims of what happened earlier. But if you want to be seen to be making a fuss, be my guest. Cheers now.

[the other bob wilson]

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Wether their reaction was good , bad or nothing at all it's the fact they have from the start failed to state exactly the situation that people saw .....a police van following two kids on a scooter .....that has caused confusion , mistrust and given some the excuse to get involved in confrontation

Let's imagine some people on here were in Ely and saw the scooter being followed by a police van

The crash occurs and on social media people start saying what they saw .....kids being followed by a van

The police come out and say there wasn't a chase etc ......

To a lot of people that's going to feel that they are being challenged on what they saw

Chase , pursuit , trailed , shadowed

You say potato , I say potato etc etc

It really doesn't matter

The police failed to make sure everyone knew that the boys were being followed but when they crashed the police had withdrawn

This is all down to this simple matter . This missed opportunity has lit the fuse .

Lots I disagree with you on Sludge, but I’m with you on this.

I think my parents did a good job in bringing my siblings and I up, but the respect for and trust in the police that we had drummed into us during our childhoods has not been justified in my experience in the last forty years or so in particular. My use of the word experience is not totally justified mind because there’s been little direct experience of them (what there has been has been a mixture of good and bad), but life in general has taught me that the police tend to lurch from one crisis to another, there are plenty of fine wors spoken after something like the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, but, essentially, nothing ever changes - suffice it to say, I’m not sure how anyone can be shocked by, for example, the police actions against the Republic protesters a few weeks back or the lies after what happened on Monday - it’s what the police do.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Wether their reaction was good , bad or nothing at all it's the fact they have from the start failed to state exactly the situation that people saw .....a police van following two kids on a scooter .....that has caused confusion , mistrust and given some the excuse to get involved in confrontation

Let's imagine some people on here were in Ely and saw the scooter being followed by a police van

The crash occurs and on social media people start saying what they saw .....kids being followed by a van

The police come out and say there wasn't a chase etc ......

To a lot of people that's going to feel that they are being challenged on what they saw

Chase , pursuit , trailed , shadowed

You say potato , I say potato etc etc

It really doesn't matter

The police failed to make sure everyone knew that the boys were being followed but when they crashed the police had withdrawn

This is all down to this simple matter . This missed opportunity has lit the fuse .

The communication was pathetic, but I suppose they were under pressure, every day the information was getting BBC verified, but even then all they were doing was looking at 1 or 2 cameras minutes before the accident, they didn't know the boys drove towards the police, saw them turned around and both ended up traveling in the same direction and that the police didn't actually pursue them for long, and were half a mile away from the accident.

It looks like a tragic accident but the police were not really involved and the riot was based on hearsay.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Lots I disagree with you on Sludge, but I’m with you on this.

I think my parents did a good job in bringing my siblings and I up, but the respect for and trust in the police that we had drummed into us during our childhoods has not been justified in my experience in the last forty years or so in particular. My use of the word experience is not totally justified mind because there’s been little direct experience of them (what there has been has been a mixture of good and bad), but life in general has taught me that the police tend to lurch from one crisis to another, there are plenty of fine wors spoken after something like the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, but, essentially, nothing ever changes - suffice it to say, I’m not sure how anyone can be shocked by, for example, the police actions against the Republic protesters a few weeks back or the lies after what happened on Monday - it’s what the police do.

The police should be praised when they do a good job .....that's most of the time .....

[chrisp_1927]

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The second CCTV video released yesterday actually makes it look nothing like a chase. Van was well behind them and then went a different direction. Unfortunately the press seem to sense a 'gotcha' moment and don't really seem to be analysing it

[lardy]

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care to enlighten us?

I wouldn't hold your breath.

[blue matt]

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another Video

https://news.sky.com/video/share-12888585

[The Bloop]

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another Video

https://news.sky.com/video/share-12888585

That shows a gap of ~16 seconds between vehicles. At 20 mph that's a distance of 154m and at 30 mph a distance of 216m.
That's not a chase or pursuit.

The gap is obviously shorter in the earlier video.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The second CCTV video released yesterday actually makes it look nothing like a chase. Van was well behind them and then went a different direction. Unfortunately the press seem to sense a 'gotcha' moment and don't really seem to be analysing it

Initially the lads were being closely followed , at 30 mph , by the police

They pulled back

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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another Video

https://news.sky.com/video/share-12888585

We know all this

We have cctv of the police following the youngsters at 30 mph

Wether they were following them for 500 yards or 50 yards that's what they were doing

The police made initial statements that they were not involved

You cannot blame people for saying hold on a minute I saw you following them ......and it's been proved by cctv

The police from the start should have said .....officers were following two persons , it wasn't a full on chase but we were at speeds of 30 mph ....at a safe distance

This happened for approximately ....2 minutes .....insert time here

Then the scooter continued as our officers turned off the road

Shortly after the fatal accident occurred but we had no vehicles in the area at the time

What's so difficult about that ?

[the other bob wilson]

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The police should be praised when they do a good job .....that's most of the time .....

I'll take your word for it.