Riot in Ely

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How were the officers involved in the crash when they were in a different street at the time?

Who is saying the officers were involved in the crash ?

Not me

You are

South Wales Police were involved in following the boys which eventually the force has admitted

[LeningradCowboy]

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/26/cardiff-riots-uk-conservative-government-created-poor-conditions-mark-drakeford-welsh-first-minister

UK government created conditions that led to Cardiff riots, says Mark Drakeford.

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Would the tragedy have been referred to the IOPC and subsequent investigation been carried out without the media attention in this case ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65725350

[SOXY BOY]

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that isn't ironic

Irony, whenever a person says something or does something that departs from what they(or we) expect them to say or do.

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Would the tragedy have been referred to the IOPC and subsequent investigation been carried out without the media attention in this case ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65725350

Maybe not ?

But either way it's correct I would think that it has been ?

[Joe Gillis]

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I find that ironic given your liking for the sauce

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...first-minister

UK government created conditions that led to Cardiff riots, says Mark Drakeford.

I am no fan of the tory government but drakeford should leave these sort of comments until after the boys have been laid to rest and investigations into the police activity on the lead up to the crash have taken place

[Maurice Swan]

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I am no fan of the tory government but drakeford should leave these sort of comments until after the boys have been laid to rest and investigations into the police activity on the lead up to the crash have taken place

I would repeat a previous comment in another thread about Mark Drakeford.......but would most likely get deleted like the previous one....

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https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/update-investigation-events-prior-deaths-two-teenagers-ely

It certainly looks like the police watchdog has far more teeth these days

That remit seems to be exactly what is required

If only this kind of body had been around when the Cardiff 5 were fitted up

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I would repeat a previous comment in another thread about Mark Drakeford.......but would most likely get deleted like the previous one....

To be fair that was politically motivated and like him at this time it's not really appropriate

[J R Hartley]

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I would repeat a previous comment in another thread about Mark Drakeford.......but would most likely get deleted like the previous one....

Get over it Maurice ffs

You’re like a big baby

“I had a post deleted” boo fecking hoo.

[celticknight]

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The bike was "an early birthday present". £4k, by the way. Kids were living well consider the pictures of them in branded jackets worth a couple hundred, too.

Probably would've been better to say it was nicked, now they're gonna get the DWP snooping around. :hehe:

[Vindec]

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The first picture released did show the Police following two lads on an e bike even though they are not meant to be driven on the road or to carry passengers. They are off road bikes only. However, later pictures revealed the Police turning off onto another road and the accident happened when the Police were a long way away on another street. However, it's odd that the Police did turn off especially as the bike was carrying a passenger with the pillion dragging his feet along the ground. Nonetheless I can't see how the rioting was warranted.

When i heard that Drakeford was chairing a meeting of interested groups I thought that was a good thing - exactly the type of thing that the Welsh government should be doing but to turn the event into a political event by blaming the UK government for the rioting was crass and inappropriate. Incidentally I think Alun Michael is one of the good guys especially when he was an MP who left no stone unturned to get to the root of a problem. To condemn him this early is simply wrong. He will get to the bottom of this and, if the Police were in any way to blame, (which is doubtful on present evidence) I believe he will say so.

[Father Dougal]

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The first picture released did show the Police following two lads on an e bike even though they are not meant to be driven on the road or to carry passengers. They are off road bikes only. However, later pictures revealed the Police turning off onto another road and the accident happened when the Police were a long way away on another street. However, it's odd that the Police did turn off especially as the bike was carrying a passenger with the pillion dragging his feet along the ground. Nonetheless I can't see how the rioting was warranted.

When i heard that Drakeford was chairing a meeting of interested groups I thought that was a good thing - exactly the type of thing that the Welsh government should be doing but to turn the event into a political event by blaming the UK government for the rioting was crass and inappropriate. Incidentally I think Alun Michael is one of the good guys especially when he was an MP who left no stone unturned to get to the root of a problem. To condemn him this early is simply wrong. He will get to the bottom of this and, if the Police were in any way to blame, (which is doubtful on present evidence) I believe he will say so.

With respect many commenting here clearly do not know the area. The police are using that to their advantage. It isn't strange the police turned the other way as there are bollards a bike can get through but not a car. Police had no choice but to turn the other way. There is no dispute now the boys were being actively pursued (although not chased with blue lights).

Also not seen it mentioned here but many think the boys were hit by a bus (as was widely reported) but cardiff bus issued a statement yesterday that none of their vehicles were involved.

The families have reported police were telling people at the scene no police were involved yet a video was being shown to people in the crowd at the scene of the chase (active pursuit) which is what sparked the trouble.

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The first picture released did show the Police following two lads on an e bike even though they are not meant to be driven on the road or to carry passengers. They are off road bikes only. However, later pictures revealed the Police turning off onto another road and the accident happened when the Police were a long way away on another street. However, it's odd that the Police did turn off especially as the bike was carrying a passenger with the pillion dragging his feet along the ground. Nonetheless I can't see how the rioting was warranted.

When i heard that Drakeford was chairing a meeting of interested groups I thought that was a good thing - exactly the type of thing that the Welsh government should be doing but to turn the event into a political event by blaming the UK government for the rioting was crass and inappropriate. Incidentally I think Alun Michael is one of the good guys especially when he was an MP who left no stone unturned to get to the root of a problem. To condemn him this early is simply wrong. He will get to the bottom of this and, if the Police were in any way to blame, (which is doubtful on present evidence) I believe he will say so.

I think drakeford should have kept politics out of it , it's an embarrassment in my opinion

This is a terrible accident and Alun Micheal and South Wales Police have been economical with the truth here

I think heads should roll , the big wigs have all looked completely incompetent