Tory fraud.

[life on mars]

Re: Tory fraud.

Oh, he's in full tory mode today isn't he.

Not a great reply , do you post or comment about other fraud stories associated to other parties or people with the same venom as the Tories ?

[jon1959]

Re: Tory fraud.

I see no difference between Labour and Conservative, and I wouldn't vote for any of them.

I find it extremely odd that people can pick a difference.

There are differences. Small but important differences. Just as in the USA there are differences between the two major parties of big business and imperialism.

In the USA the faultlines are around issues like universal health care, gun control and whether 17th century fundamentalist Christianity will dictate policy decisions.

In the UK the privatiser and war criminal Blair led governments introduced Sure Start, enabled a programme of council house improvements and through Prudence Brown a series of redistributive budgets that benefitted ordinary people.

I despise Starmer almost as much as the Tories (for some of the same reasons and some different) but in my view even a Starmer-led Labour government (or Labour majority coalition government) will be better than more of the Tories. The marginal differences count.

[Dorcus]

Re: Tory fraud.

Oh, he's in full tory mode today isn't he.

"Socialism is the politics of envy"! My God he's swallowed it hook, line and sinker, hasn't he? Conservative Central Office must look at him as a perfect example of how the cost and effort of brainwashing the proles actually produces results! No doubt he's in line for a pat on his dutiful head.

I'll try a rather different soundbite on him: "Capitalism is the politics of greed".

[Dorcus]

Re: Tory fraud.

There are differences. Small but important differences. Just as in the USA there are differences between the two major parties of big business and imperialism.

In the USA the faultlines are around issues like universal health care, gun control and whether 17th century fundamentalist Christianity will dictate policy decisions.

In the UK the privatiser and war criminal Blair led governments introduced Sure Start, enabled a programme of council house improvements and through Prudence Brown a series of redistributive budgets that benefitted ordinary people.

I despise Starmer almost as much as the Tories (for some of the same reasons and some different) but in my view even a Starmer-led Labour government (or Labour majority coalition government) will be better than more of the Tories. The marginal differences count.

Excellently put Jon and I agree entirely 👍

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Tory fraud.

Not a great reply , do you post or comment about other fraud stories associated to other parties or people with the same venom as the Tories ?

No, but maybe I would if I came across a story of another party wasting £21 billion.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Tory fraud.

There are differences. Small but important differences. Just as in the USA there are differences between the two major parties of big business and imperialism.

In the USA the faultlines are around issues like universal health care, gun control and whether 17th century fundamentalist Christianity will dictate policy decisions.

In the UK the privatiser and war criminal Blair led governments introduced Sure Start, enabled a programme of council house improvements and through Prudence Brown a series of redistributive budgets that benefitted ordinary people.

I despise Starmer almost as much as the Tories (for some of the same reasons and some different) but in my view even a Starmer-led Labour government (or Labour majority coalition government) will be better than more of the Tories. The marginal differences count.

What do you call it when a government jumps into bed with big business?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvWwAjVDyF8

[jon1959]

Re: Tory fraud.

What do you call it when a government jumps into bed with big business?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvWwAjVDyF8

I call it 'jumping into bed with big business'. What do you call it?

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Tory fraud.

I call it 'jumping into bed with big business'. What do you call it?

What's the point of voting then if the global corporations decide the laws.

[Dorcus]

Re: Tory fraud.

I call it 'jumping into bed with big business'. What do you call it?

Fornication

[jon1959]

Re: Tory fraud.

What's the point of voting then if the global corporations decide the laws.

That is funny coming from a propagandist for Big Oil.

And the point is that global corporations don't decide all the laws. They influence (through lobbying, patronage and donations) many of the big strategic government decisions, and some of the smaller and more specific policies, but not all.

That was my point. You have not engaged with it.

To go back to my earlier post, I do not believe that Sure Start or the Decent Homes Programme were influenced in any way by the WEF, Formula One or BP. I also doubt that Big Pharma is backing Democrat plans to invent a universal health care system or severely cap the astronomic cost of prescription drugs in the USA.

I'm sure Shell and Exxon-Mobile are working out how to maximise their profits under Green Energy plans - but they have spent the last 60-70 years (like tobacco and other similar sectors) doing their best to frustrate a move to renewables. Starmer will happily get into bed with them - but clean energy and corporate profits is a better outcome than dirty energy and corporate profits.

Whilst that's going on there will be people in the global labour, anti-imperialist and environmental movements working to socialise the savings and the benefits of that change. Not you and your co-'thinkers' but millions of others. That is the hope, and that is the reason to back marginal improvements even if they don't come with a complete transformation of the political, economic and social systems that dominate the world.

[Heathblue]

Re: Tory fraud.

There are differences. Small but important differences. Just as in the USA there are differences between the two major parties of big business and imperialism.

In the USA the faultlines are around issues like universal health care, gun control and whether 17th century fundamentalist Christianity will dictate policy decisions.

In the UK the privatiser and war criminal Blair led governments introduced Sure Start, enabled a programme of council house improvements and through Prudence Brown a series of redistributive budgets that benefitted ordinary people.

I despise Starmer almost as much as the Tories (for some of the same reasons and some different) but in my view even a Starmer-led Labour government (or Labour majority coalition government) will be better than more of the Tories. The marginal differences count.

I wouldn't disagree much, however, do not despise Starmer but don't like him either, and to address Saint Bob I would agree with the waste he points out by the Tories, that isn't for debate IMO, I don't have and will not spend anytime researching but i would be quite confident that the rebadged PFI's from Blair and his mates, that they were not shy in taking advantage of the money sloshing around and that the dodgy deals of this era would dwarf the Tory fraud values of the thread Title, IMO crooks the lot of them and nailing your colours to a mast is just endorsing one set of crooks over the other.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Tory fraud.

I think the party I have voted for all my life are hopeless and I think starmer is hopeless too

It's a case of getting in that polling booth and voting for a government that will make plenty of mistakes and be guilty of plenty of scandal

They are not socialist but I think to challenge the Tories and keep them from screwing the poor and less fortunate we need to at least elect someone who is not right wing

If enough people don't get out and tick the box at this election then I am done with it all and will vote for some raving loony candidate or lord buckethead

Because if after all the nonsense this conservative government has got up they end up winning another term then this country is firmly right wing and the labour party needs to disband

[Hilts]

Re: Tory fraud.

Vote them out.

Be wary of polls. Loads of Tories are embarrassed to be Tories( rightly so ) but come the day they will vote for them.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Tory fraud.

What's the point of voting then if the global corporations decide the laws.

When the Great Reset happens, which global corporations that are left will decide the laws?

[JamesWales]

Re: Tory fraud.

Vote them out.

Be wary of polls. Loads of Tories are embarrassed to be Tories( rightly so ) but come the day they will vote for them.

It's more that they get an ear full of abuse from some people. Same way some people don't feel they can be openly gay.