Welsh speed limits - wtf!

[JamesWales]

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So what you’re saying then is that the law isn’t the issue it’s just ensuring compliance

I’d suggest average speed check cameras will be the best bet, people largely tend to take those seriously and presumably will pay for themselves over time

You want average speed check cameras across the entirety of Wales and fines for people driving 24mph etc?

This kinda demonstrates how ridiculous it all is.

[ninian opinian]

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Most drivers drive way over 30 in 30 zones. When it all settles down, people will drive slower, I guess that’s the plan behind this.

[superfeathers]

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You want average speed check cameras across the entirety of Wales and fines for people driving 24mph etc?

This kinda demonstrates how ridiculous it all is.

No, but they’d be a good idea in targeted stretches once they know where they are getting least compliance

[pipster]

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You can’t put average speed cameras on every stretch of road, they can not work in a single stretch of road like a motorway or dual carriageway
This well intentioned but utterly wasteful policy is unenforceable. Draketwat is dumb enough to think the opposite.
Outside schools etc fair enough. There was a woman killed in Victoria park, the driver was doing about 10 mph, but failed a drug driving test. So if a car doing 10mph can kill, using drakey logic lets enforce a 5mph limit

[Gofer Blue]

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The statistics do not reveal what speed the drivers were doing in the 30 mph zones when the pedestrian fatalities occurred.

[pipster]

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So his argument is null and void then.

[Heathblue]

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[Dave Blue]

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Q - The people who were injured or killed in a 30mph zone - how fast was the vehicle going that hit them ?


The implied logic seems to be that everyone in a vehicle will adhere to the 20mph limit. If people dont adhere to a 30 the same people wont adhere to a 20.
I think this will end up being Drakeford's Poll Tax moment, I dont see people in Wales adhering to it.

You think the Welsh will vote for further devastation of public services just because they have to drive a bit slower? Who do you think is going to gain from this ‘poll tax moment’?

[Rjk]

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been out driving a fair bit this morning, and much to my surprise everything is moving pretty much as normal

[the other bob wilson]

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Went on my usual early Monday morning weekly shop, it normally takes me about twenty five minutes to drive to Aldi’s Porth. This morning it took double that and traffic was bumper to bumper driving into Porth. It was the longest Monday morning drive in the five and a half years I’ve been up here.

Was the 20 mph limit responsible for this? I don’t think it was unless, maybe, people were leaving earlier because they figured their journeys would take longer? I’m not convinced the problem was the new speed regulations because it was being largely observed - people were definitely driving at less than 30mph as I drove into Treorchy and the traffic was moving fine.

People who are familiar with this area may know of the 30 mph speed camera by Ton Pentre station, I decided to drive at 20mph through this on the way home and as soon as they were out of the range of the camera, the driver of the car behind me overtook me (I’ve never ever seen any one tried to overtake on that stretch of road before) and then laughed at the sight of the prat having to drive a few yards in front of me as the traffic moved on at 20mph for the next three miles or so. That was the only instance I saw this morning of someone reacting against the new measures.

[superfeathers]

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You can’t put average speed cameras on every stretch of road, they can not work in a single stretch of road like a motorway or dual carriageway
This well intentioned but utterly wasteful policy is unenforceable. Draketwat is dumb enough to think the opposite.
Outside schools etc fair enough. There was a woman killed in Victoria park, the driver was doing about 10 mph, but failed a drug driving test. So if a car doing 10mph can kill, using drakey logic lets enforce a 5mph limit

I didn't say every stretch of road, but on stretches where it's clearly being ignored.
There are a couple of 20mph stretches near me which are built up areas, and they have average speed checks. Not sure why you say that it's not possible to have them when they already exist

[Heathblue]

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I had to be in a little earlier than usual this morning and was on the road at 5.30, even at this time drivers seemed more reluctant to exceed the speeds, return journey this evening it appeared that many drivers just said f**k it.

[pipster]

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Caro Wild the local Cardiff Councillor responsible for cycle lanes, closing Castle St etc and putting a bus lane on Cathedral road that cost 1,000,000 - as stated by mike Welch - Caro's ex mate - Caro's intention was to cause as much traffic chaos in Cardiff as possible. Wants Cardiff to become a city of villages - where people just stay where they are.

Council Leader Hugh Thomas is Oxford educated - problem he apparently graduated in music rather than anything meaningful.

[JamesWales]

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My experience so far is that not that much has changed.

On narrow residential streets, people are still doing 10-15mph and on the wider, safer ones still going 30mph. Perhaps a tad slower, maybe.

It's notable (and pretty frustrating) the couple of times someone is sticking to the 20mph. Can see a lot of annoyance in such scenarios where there's a green light 50m ahead and it causes someone to miss it.

Petition closing in on 200,000.

We seem to have mass non-compliance and I think the WG know they have handled this wrong now and they should set out a clear timeline for a sensible review

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I think in hindsight this is a load of arse and drakeford should row back