20mph online petition

[North Cardiff Blue]

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The chance of someone being killed being hit by a car driving 30mph is significantly higher than at 20mph. It's as simple as that. If it slows people's days down a bit even to prevent 1 death, it is worth the reduction in speed limits.

Annoying and irritating behind the wheel, absolutely. Ultimately a minor inconvenience to make roads safer ? Also absolutely.

So you want motorways to drop to 20?

There is significantly more chance of people dying in accidents at 70mph than thirty?

How about dropping the alcohol in beer from 4% to 1%, so fewer people get pissed and die in accidents?

It's all made-up nonsense to show they can do what they like and some people will believe whatever they say.

Unbelievably they are correct some people do.

[Hilts]

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So you want motorways to drop to 20?

There is significantly more chance of people dying in accidents at 70mph than thirty?

How about dropping the alcohol in beer from 4% to 1%, so fewer people get pissed and die in accidents?

It's all made-up nonsense to show they can do what they like and some thickos will believe whatever they say.

There are no Pedestrians on motorways. So they are not going to get hit are they?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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all the other places that have introduced this sensible measure - are they all diktats by power mad megalomaniacs as well?

You spelt dickheads wrong, and yes they are.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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There are no Pedestrians on motorways. So they are not going to get hit are they?

You've never seen an accident resulting in death on the motorway when two cars hit each other traveling three and a half times faster than 20mph have you?

I've seen probably fifty serious accidents that would have resulted in death on the motorway, none in a 30mph zone.

It's nothing to do with saving the most lives from driving incidents otherwise motorways would have been a priority. If he gets away with this guess what comes next????????

[Hilts]

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You've never seen an accident resulting in death on the motorway when two cars hit each other traveling three and a half times faster than 20mph have you?

I've seen probably fifty serious accidents that would have resulted in death on the motorway, none in a 30mph zone.

You were replying to a post about someone being hit by a car then went in to your usual why not make motorways 20 rant again.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Then get out on the streets, get organised and make your voice heard. Protest! You wont do anything, because the reality is that it isn't that inconvenient for you, it doesn't make that much difference to your life or anyone elses for that matter, except maybe those involved in a collision with a vehicle.

You have every right to be angry or disagree with the policy, but you and the rest will just sit on a football messageboard moaning and groaning. It's really funny watching the old Tories melting down. Keep up the good work

Nothing to do with politics, there are plenty of Labour voters on here not happy about this waste of money, Sludge and Eric as as red as they come, but are honest and not afraid to criticise stupid policies that waste money for no real reason other than gimmicky shows of power.

I think it comes down more to busy people who drive a lot of miles and people who don't, but even then why try and justify a waste of public money on a whim?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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You were replying to a post about someone being hit by a car then went in to your usual why not make motorways 20 rant again.

I was replying to a daft response about less people dying being hit at 20 mph than 30mph, and correctly responded getting hit at 70 is worse whether your in a car driving or getting out to fix a puncture.

So by that logic 70mph is more dangerous and should be a priority, but everyone defending is trying to duck that because it doesn't fit the narrative and they know what I'm saying is right, and there is no logical real answer.

They are just trying to defend it for political point scoring, I'm not and if Andrew RT or Sunak, or any independent, or any other party had made the policy I would say he's an idiot who should be forced to resign and the speed limit changed back.

[Rjk]

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You've never seen an accident resulting in death on the motorway when two cars hit each other traveling three and a half times faster than 20mph have you?

I've seen probably fifty serious accidents that would have resulted in death on the motorway, none in a 30mph zone.

It's nothing to do with saving the most lives from driving incidents otherwise motorways would have been a priority. If he gets away with this guess what comes next????????

in 2022 there were 58 people killed or seriously injured on motorways with 70mph speed limits in Wales, and on 30mph roads there were 421 people killed or seriously injured

[Der Kaiser]

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You've never seen an accident resulting in death on the motorway when two cars hit each other traveling three and a half times faster than 20mph have you?

I've seen probably fifty serious accidents that would have resulted in death on the motorway, none in a 30mph zone.

It's nothing to do with saving the most lives from driving incidents otherwise motorways would have been a priority. If he gets away with this guess what comes next????????

Christ you are dense.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I drove from Birchgrove up to Cefn onn park. Caerphilly road is 20 mph, as is a section of Thornhill rd, which goes up to 30 just before the crematorium. The road through Thornhill,past Sainsbury's and on to the park was 20. I reckon that it put 2 minutes on my journey time.

More than that and for no valid reason, why not 5mph it would be safer again? Why if you want a safer world why not 5mph it's definitely safer?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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in 2022 there were 58 people killed or seriously injured on motorways with 70mph speed limits in Wales, and on 30mph roads there were 421 people killed or seriously injured

I doubt that's true, and even if so how many miles of 70mph motorway are there and how many are there of 30mph?

How many people died on each not had an accident, you're trying to change the narrative.

How many on 70mph roads not only motorways?

You've probably thrown in the A roads and stuff with the 30mph roads.

If not you are trying to say it's safer to be hit at 70mph that 30mph.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Christ you are dense.

Yep no answer, you're a dope if you believe nonsense.

[Rjk]

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I doubt that's true, and even if so how many miles of 70mph motorway are there and how many are there of 30mph?

How many people died on each not had an accident, you're trying to change the narrative.

How many on 70mph roads not only motorways?

You've probably thrown in the A roads and stuff with the 30mph roads.

If not you are trying to say it's safer to be hit at 70mph that 30mph.

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[Der Kaiser]

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I doubt that's true, and even if so how many miles of 70mph motorway are there and how many are there of 30mph?

How many people died on each not had an accident, you're trying to change the narrative.

How many on 70mph roads not only motorways?

You've probably thrown in the A roads and stuff with the 30mph roads.

If not you are trying to say it's safer to be hit at 70mph that 30mph.

But that wasn't the point of the post outlining the difference between 30 and 20mph, bringing 70mph into the equation is an arbitrary point as nowhere in this country (to my knowledge) can you drive 70mph on a residential road. It's restricted to areas specifically designed for cars to go faster, if anything, these roads should be faster, as there aren't any pedestrians.

It's not hard to wrap your head around. Being hit at 30 is more dangerous than 20 to a pedestrian or cyclist.

[FungoFurore]

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More than that and for no valid reason, why not 5mph it would be safer again? Why if you want a safer world why not 5mph it's definitely safer?

Because it's about balance? It's such a poor argument that I've seen others make as well.

And then in your other posts you accuse people of trying to change the narrative, when that's exactly what you've done several times.

If it's not political, why have you brought up other, completely unrelated, policy issues you don't agree with as part of your argument?