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**Hilts** · 27-09-23, 14:26

Re: 20mph online petition

On a positive I had a pissed off cyclist behind me today who just couldnt quite get past me in a 20 zone.🤣🤣🤣

**dml1954** · 27-09-23, 14:34

Re: 20mph online petition

Originally posted by Divine Wright View Post

I'm more worried about the other 400 thousand odd clowns. Paints a backward image of society in Wales. Same thing witht the Covid measures and brexit. As you say though, too many people with too much time on their hands and not much going on upstairs.

So says the bloke commenting on a social media site about other people not having anything better to do than comment on social media sites. Plus, insulting over 400000 Welsh residents as having �not much going on upstairs� is a bit of a sweeping statement and indicative of a lack of a bit of the old grey matter on your behalf. Typical Labour posturing and ranting when something starts to go badly wrong. Trying to defend this idiotic policy is more akin to polishing a turd.

**TWGL1** · 27-09-23, 16:27

Re: 20mph online petition

Originally posted by Divine Wright View Post

I'm more worried about the other 400 thousand odd clowns. Paints a backward image of society in Wales. Same thing witht the Covid measures and brexit. As you say though, too many people with too much time on their hands and not much going on upstairs.

20 mph speed limits have seemingly little impact on crashes, casualties or driver speed according to a three year study.

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https://www.qub.ac.uk/News/Allnews/2022/20-mph-speed-limits-little-impact-crashes.html

**North Cardiff Blue** · 27-09-23, 16:42

Re: 20mph online petition

Originally posted by TWGL1 View Post

20 mph speed limits have seemingly little impact on crashes, casualties or driver speed according to a three year study.

https://www.qub.ac.uk/News/Allnews/2...t-crashes.html

Marvelous, all that money, all that wasted time, all that pissing off the entire nation, all those arguments, all for nothing.

Well done Drakeford, one of your best achievements to date!

**caerkid** · 27-09-23, 18:30

Re: 20mph online petition

Originally posted by TWGL1 View Post

20 mph speed limits have seemingly little impact on crashes, casualties or driver speed according to a three year study.

https://www.qub.ac.uk/News/Allnews/2...t-crashes.html

And the same researcher's study in Edinburgh found that deaths were cut by a quarter and injuries by a third.

Slowing city traffic cut road deaths by a quarter | News | The University of Edinburgh

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2022/slowing-city-traffic-cut-road-deaths-by-a-quarter

Restricting a city’s speed limits to 20mph reduced road deaths by almost a quarter and serious injuries by a third, research reveals.

"The Belfast scheme, which was restricted to city centre streets, led to a 2 per cent drop in casualties and collisions, and minor reductions.

Researchers say results reflect the scheme�s narrower reach and its implementation in an area where traffic speeds were already low prior to the trial � on average less than 20mph"

**the other bob wilson** · 27-09-23, 18:38

Re: 20mph online petition

Originally posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post

Marvelous, all that money, all that wasted time, all that pissing off the entire nation, all those arguments, all for nothing.

Well done Drakeford, one of your best achievements to date!

Pissing off the entire nation

I’d rather that things had stayed as they were, but I can live with the new regulations - I’d be absolutely amazed if I was unique in thinking like that.

**TWGL1** · 27-09-23, 18:41

Re: 20mph online petition

[QUOTE=caerkid;5457588]And the same researcher's study in Edinburgh found that deaths were cut by a quarter and injuries by a third.

Slowing city traffic cut road deaths by a quarter | News | The University of Edinburgh

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2022/slowing-city-traffic-cut-road-deaths-by-a-quarter

Restricting a city’s speed limits to 20mph reduced road deaths by almost a quarter and serious injuries by a third, research reveals.

"The Belfast scheme, which was restricted to city centre streets, led to a 2 per cent drop in casualties and collisions, and minor reductions.

Researchers say results reflect the scheme�s narrower reach and its implementation in an area where traffic speeds were already low prior to the trial � on average less than 20mph"[/QUOTE

20mph speed limits have 'little impact on road deaths or crashes', according to new research In the wales online

20mph speed limits have 'little impact on road deaths or crashes'

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/20mph-speed-limits-little-impact-25526523

Areas with a default limit of 30mph will see this lowered to 20mph in September 2023

**The Bloop** · 27-09-23, 18:47

Re: 20mph online petition

[QUOTE=TWGL1;5457594]

Originally posted by caerkid View Post

And the same researcher's study in Edinburgh found that deaths were cut by a quarter and injuries by a third.

Slowing city traffic cut road deaths by a quarter | News | The University of Edinburgh

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2022/slowing-city-traffic-cut-road-deaths-by-a-quarter

Restricting a city’s speed limits to 20mph reduced road deaths by almost a quarter and serious injuries by a third, research reveals.

"The Belfast scheme, which was restricted to city centre streets, led to a 2 per cent drop in casualties and collisions, and minor reductions.

Researchers say results reflect the scheme�s narrower reach and its implementation in an area where traffic speeds were already low prior to the trial � on average less than 20mph"[/QUOTE

20mph speed limits have 'little impact on road deaths or crashes', according to new research In the wales online

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...mpact-25526523

That's the findings into the Belfast roll out. It found there's fewer vehicles on the road during rush hour, so maybe if anything, it'll get TOBW thinking about leaving it an hour or 2 to drive to Aldi to do his shopping 🙂

**splott parker** · 27-09-23, 18:51

Re: 20mph online petition

Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post

Pissing off the entire nation

I’d rather that things had stayed as they were, but I can live with the new regulations - I’d be absolutely amazed if I was unique in thinking like that.

I’m amazed that people are amazed that some people aren’t that bothered, not just amazed they seem annoyed that others have other things going on in their lives that are more important than speed limits.

**Tuerto** · 27-09-23, 19:12

Re: 20mph online petition

Originally posted by splott parker View Post

I’m amazed that people are amazed that some people aren’t that bothered, not just amazed they seem annoyed that others have other things going on in their lives that are more important than speed limits.

Still stuck at the lights on Newport rd......

**splott parker** · 27-09-23, 19:15

Re: 20mph online petition

Originally posted by Tuerto View Post

Still stuck at the lights on Newport rd......

Keep up, it’s Wednesday night, I’m in an Airbnb in Shamrock Rd, Pentrebane. Set off for home after a half day tomorrow, in, changed and straight out for the Rotherham game

**Tuerto** · 27-09-23, 19:20

Re: 20mph online petition

Originally posted by splott parker View Post

Keep up, it’s Wednesday night, I’m in an Airbnb in Shamrock Rd, Pentrebane. Set off for home after a half day tomorrow, in, changed and straight out for the Rotherham game

**caerkid** · 27-09-23, 19:26

Re: 20mph online petition

[QUOTE=TWGL1;5457594]

Originally posted by caerkid View Post

And the same researcher's study in Edinburgh found that deaths were cut by a quarter and injuries by a third.

Slowing city traffic cut road deaths by a quarter | News | The University of Edinburgh

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2022/slowing-city-traffic-cut-road-deaths-by-a-quarter

Restricting a city’s speed limits to 20mph reduced road deaths by almost a quarter and serious injuries by a third, research reveals.

"The Belfast scheme, which was restricted to city centre streets, led to a 2 per cent drop in casualties and collisions, and minor reductions.

Researchers say results reflect the scheme�s narrower reach and its implementation in an area where traffic speeds were already low prior to the trial � on average less than 20mph"[/QUOTE

20mph speed limits have 'little impact on road deaths or crashes', according to new research In the wales online

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...mpact-25526523

It's the same study .The Edinburgh research I linked to ,and quoted, had far different results and included reasons why that Belfast study (which was by the same research team) had limitations.

Funny that WOL only quote the one study though . Anyone would think there was money to be made ,and votes to be won ,by making people angry

**North Cardiff Blue** · 28-09-23, 16:13

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Tourism will be affected, so why risk �100 fine?

Accommodation has gone up too, triple council tax nonsense the tourist renters will have to pay it.

Just a moment...

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/mid-wales/2023/09/24/insane-welsh-20mph-speed-limit-is-taking-toll-on-tourism--claims/

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/wales-20mph-speed-limit-tourism-fears/

The speed limit in Welsh residential areas will be reduced from 30mph to 20mph on Sunday, prompting fears that possible fines could deter tourism.

Marvelous the welsh tourism economy damaged on a whim.

Welsh town that trialled 20mph says 'we told you so'

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-town-trialled-20mph-speed-27772691

'Maybe they should have gone down to 25mph instead, I think the public may have got on board with this more'